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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">My math as usual is lousy.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">But $40.00 times 40 members is my basis. That does indeed furnish us with $1,600.00, if my desktop calculator app is to be trusted. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">$1,000.00 divided by 40 members is indeed $25.00 each. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">So the question can also be parsed as "What will we do with the extra $15.00 per member?" That's a lot of donuts and coffee! </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Happy now?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">-- Bob Primak </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Tuesday, July 6, 2021, 05:42:30 PM EDT, Robert Primak <bobprimak@yahoo.com> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><font color="#4c76a2" style="background-color:inherit;"><b>"Unless the CC contributes, we then ask for $40 per member and see what happens. "</b></font></span></span><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;">That comes to $1,600.00 What will we do with the extra $600.00? Or is that the new Room Fee? (Or, Zoom Room fee for Remote Participants?)</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;">I belong to a fully-remote system of groups in the Chicago area. The Chicago Computer Society charges $40.00 per year ($35.00 for Seniors, which is most of us) for dues, with currently no hybrid meeting facilities or equipment. About 40 of us mostly from Chicago but all over the Country, pay and participate. A few holdouts have not paid. We don't exclude them. We also have administrative costs, though Board members are not paid. CCS owns one Zoom professional level license. </span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;">-- Bob Primak</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></span></span></div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Tuesday, July 6, 2021, 05:30:26 PM EDT, john rudy <jjrudy1@comcast.net> wrote:
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#yiv5574154274 </style><div><div class="yiv5574154274WordSection1"><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">A separate issue is how one pays for this. Let’s say we come up with a $1000 solution. We have some data which I do not recall but let’s assume we have 40 active members. Unless the CC contributes, we then ask for $40 per member and see what happens. If one calculates the savings of 1 hour of driving (expenses plus wasted time) anyone should be able to justify it. Thanks for what you did</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">John</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">John Rudy</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">781-861-0402</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">781-718-8334 (cell)</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:John.rudy@alum.mit.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:John.rudy@alum.mit.edu"><span style="color:#0563C1;">John.rudy@alum.mit.edu</span></a> </span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">13 Hawthorne Lane</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Bedford, MA 01730-1047</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><img id="yiv5574154274Picture_x0020_2" border="0" width="99" height="94" style="width:1.0333in;min-height:.975in;" src="cid:gLZ7z5aJ7LMq3O0SQQmh"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><div class="yiv5574154274yqt8246744429" id="yiv5574154274yqt39282"><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Harry Forsdick <forsdick@gmail.com> <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 6, 2021 5:17 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> john rudy <jjrudy1@comcast.net><br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> Lex Computer Group <LCTG@lists.toku.us><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Special Meeting Computer and Technology Group</p></div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;">John,</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;">Thanks for setting up the meeting at 9 am on July 14 to discuss Hybrid Meetings.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;">Unfortunately, I will be away in the Berkshires on July 14 so I won't be able to participate. In the past several days, I have done some research on the Internet looking for various suggested solutions to the issue of Hybrid Meetings -- everybody is thinking about this subject these days.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;">I have written down my contributions to a discussion about this topic. This might serve as a good starting point for a discussion:</span></p></div><div><ul type="disc"><li class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style="color:#0B5394;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rnwFZEExlY4cubzU30vhTK2J1znWT1FRKIFcwcNlOZg/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rnwFZEExlY4cubzU30vhTK2J1znWT1FRKIFcwcNlOZg/edit?usp=sharing</a></span></li></ul></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;">I have shared this in a way that everybody who receives this message has permission to leave comments on what I have written.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;">If there is one main idea I have, it is, keep this <i>as simple as we can get away with</i>. As you well know, it's possible to go way overboard with a group design session, and this is a mistake. In general, my rule when doing such things is to start low and make improvements based on actual experience, not imagined need, as we go along.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;">As for additional hardware, we will clearly need additional microphones and cameras. As I've mentioned, between 2014 and 2017 I was involved (as was George Gamota) in the high-level design of the A/V equipment used throughout the Community Center. Included in this design were ideas and plans for having a video conferencing capability permanently installed in each of the rooms where meetings might be held. This plan was a little too far out for the higher-ups and was politely ignored. But if we had installed the fixed microphones and cameras, we wouldn't be having to do this now. So be it: there was nothing like a global pandemic to motivate the idea in peoples' minds.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;">Four years later, now that we all seem to be comfortable with the beneficial aspects of cameras and microphones picking up the content of our meetings, the suggestion that we have cameras and microphones permanently installed in the conference room still stands.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;">I think that is all I have for now.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;">Regards,</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;">-- Harry</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#0B5394;"> </span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal"> </p><table class="yiv5574154274MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="5" cellpadding="0" 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</p><div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal">On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 9:26 AM john rudy <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;"><div><div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">At 9am on July 14<sup>th</sup> we will discuss the return to the Lexington Community Center. You can view it as storming the Bastille.</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">The Community Center is reopening on July 5<sup>th</sup> and we must decide whether to return, remain on Zoom, or do something in the middle. And of course what we decide to do for July might be different than what we choose to do in September or January</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Everyone is invited and we will use or normal Zoom entry. Steve will merely open it up an hour early. So far I have heard from Charlie Holbrow, Harry Forsdick, Peter Albin, George Burnell, Bob Primak but would expect others.</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">It will be useful to know what other organizations are doing.</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">If we decide to have a mixed environment we have to think about how we would zoom from the Community Center. Would we need additional equipment?</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I would appreciate knowing if others plan to participate.</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">John</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">John Rudy</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">781-861-0402</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">781-718-8334 (cell)</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:John.rudy@alum.mit.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:John.rudy@alum.mit.edu">John.rudy@alum.mit.edu</a> </span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">13 Hawthorne Lane</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Bedford, MA 01730-1047</span></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""><img id="yiv5574154274gmail-m_-6605335444228882253Picture_x0020_1" border="0" width="99" height="94" style="width:1.0333in;min-height:.975in;" src="cid:gLZ7z5aJ7LMq3O0SQQmh"></p><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal" style=""> </p></div></div><p class="yiv5574154274MsoNormal">===============================================<br clear="none">::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br clear="none">Reply goes to sender only; 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