<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">I think the latest Michael Lewis book "The Premonition: A Pandemic Story" is relevant to the question of proactive response. It helps understand the bureaucratic difficulty that CDC has dealing with any fast moving crisis. <br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">David Lees <br>From Pixel 3 XL</div></div></div><div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br>
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<div dir="ltr">A "reaction" is not proactive. An appropriate response would be from a more proactive perspective. Not what the US (and Britain) originally were doing. It's not like we all were never warned that a global pandemic would someday happen! </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-- Bob Primak</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, November 22, 2021, 07:50:08 AM EST, Harry Forsdick <<a href="mailto:harry@forsdick.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">harry@forsdick.com</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="gmail-m_4865852627568797187m_4743135378196815269gmail-m_7692645491743065487yiv0374742523"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Bob and Carl,</div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I applaud your desire to move on and not have us engage in the much easier (and less productive) blame game.</div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)">You ask a lot of important questions, and I must admit that I have no idea how to get those questions elevated above the blame game questions -- i.e., the ones that get publically asked by politicians, TV News Shows not on PBS, and weak thinkers like me when I'm tired. We all need to focus on the difficult questions, not the ones that are easy to answer.</div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Keep up the good work in getting us to focus on the right questions so that next time we will get to the needed reaction quicker.</div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)">-- Harry</div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font><table style="font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238);margin-left:0px;margin-right:auto" cellspacing="5" cellpadding="5"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="font-size:10pt" valign="top"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.forsdick.com/resume/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Harry Forsdick</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://lexingtonphotoscan.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lexington Photo Scanning</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://lexingtontmma.org/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Town Meeting Member Precinct 7</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:harry@forsdick.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">harry@forsdick.com</a></font></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" width="5"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"> </font></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="font-size:10pt" valign="top"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><a shape="rect" href="https://goo.gl/xZXT2F" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">46 Burlington St., Lexington, MA 02420</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="callto:17817996002" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(781) 799-6002 (mobile)</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.forsdick.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.forsdick.com</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://forsdick.weebly.com/home/my-websites" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">click</a> to see my other websites</font></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div id="gmail-m_4865852627568797187m_4743135378196815269gmail-m_7692645491743065487yiv0374742523yqt87937"><div><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 7:28 AM Robert Primak <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">I'd rather not seek to fix blame. </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">But we should find out exactly what did happen, and what factors did contribute to the spread of COVID-19, in China and in other regions. And why (if this is true) COVID-19 has not been spreading recently in sub-Saharan Africa. (Could be lack of accurate reporting, but some scientists think there's more going on there. Could have implications re. population genetics and disease resistance, or resistance due to other regional endemic diseases.) </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">I'd like the emphasis to be on: </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">What do we do better next time a disease outbreak threatens to become a pandemic? How can we encourage better communication and greater transparency? Can the rest of the world convince regimes like in China that more openness won't embarrass them or cause sanctions against them just for admitting to needed facts and supplying needed data? How can we Americans participate in International disease research without contributing to future "accidents"? How do we get testing, monitoring and medicines (including vaccines) to places like India and Africa and South America faster next time?</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">And there WILL be a "next time"!</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">-- Bob Primak </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div>
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On Monday, November 22, 2021, 12:23:48 AM EST, Carl Lazarus <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:carllazarus@comcast.net" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">carllazarus@comcast.net</a>> wrote:
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Then the US government and the WHO were slow to act on it.</p><p>-- Carl</p><p> </p><div id="gmail-m_4865852627568797187m_4743135378196815269gmail-m_7692645491743065487yiv0374742523gmail-m_-7939214264328709018yiv6951254217yqt89529"><div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+carllazarus=<a shape="rect" href="mailto:comcast.net@lists.toku.us" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">comcast.net@lists.toku.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harry Forsdick<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 18, 2021 4:03 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Lex Computer Group <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" rel="noreferrer noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Fwd: First Known Covid Case Was Vendor at Wuhan Market, Scientist Claims - The New York 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