<div dir="auto">My son built the machine he now uses as a CS major. I’ll ask him if he will present when he is back for the holidays. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Umesh </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 9:39 PM Rich Moffitt <<a href="mailto:rich@richmoffitt.org">rich@richmoffitt.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Keep in mind that OEMs pay between $15 and $50 for the OEM Windows license, so the markup for the consumer is negligible in most cases. Framework looks very good, though it's currently only Intel CPUs and a little more expensive (but upgradeable, which might make it worth the upfront cost).<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">At the moment, I think AMD Ryzen is top of the heap for non-Apple options (at least until Intel Alder Lake). I bought an ASUS Zephyrus G14 (40GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Ryzen 9 5900HS, RTX 3060) earlier this year in anticipation of chip shortages making a later upgrade potentially impractical. I'm running Fedora 35 on it and the only thing not working in Linux is the fingerprint reader.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">With regard to Linux compatibility, the model matters, since compatibility quirks can get in the way. Off the top of my head, Lenovo Legion series and ASUS ROG have decent support.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-Rich</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, 8:30 PM <<a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">That might be an interesting 30 min talk at one of our meetings.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thoughts?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">John<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+jjrudy1=<a href="mailto:comcast.net@lists.toku.us" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">comcast.net@lists.toku.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Dreyer<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 4, 2021 8:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] The impossible? Buy a laptop WITHOUT Microsoft Windows?<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p>Coincidentally, I did just that. A few folks recommended that I try a <a href="https://frame.work" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Framework</a> laptop. I'll write more about it soon but I put the "kit" together in about a half hour (most of the time struggling with the tiny wifi antenna wires). Easily installed Ubuntu Linux. Now I'm in the process of moving my stuff over from my mac. First impressions are that it's a great little machine with replaceable parts from reputable manufacturers. Fits together nicely.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Mine's kind of insanely tricked out: 64G RAM, 4T SSD. $2636.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">-- <br>Jon "Whole Kit And Ooodles" Dreyer<br><a href="http://www.passionatelycurious.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Math tutor/Computer science tutor</a><br><a href="http://www.passionatelycurious.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.passionatelycurious.com</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 2021-12-04 17:37, Steve Isenberg wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Gentlepeople,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Do you know of any place where you can buy one of those really powerful systems (like, Intel i7, good graphics, HD display, 500GB SSD, 16GB memory) and save money by buying the machine <i>without</i> an operating system (like Windows)?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">I'm thinking of trying to install a Linux release on the machine and try it for video editing. Every place I look bundles the machine with Microsoft Windows.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">-steve<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div>===============================================<br>
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