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Very interesting, Mitch.<div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></span></div><div>Although <span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Dr. Brown was giving a YouTube presentation for a general audience, not a scientific audience, nevertheless I was disappointed that, for example, he didn’t discuss whether there were cases in which covid-positive people did not show the supposedly tell-tale irregularities. Similarly, were the irregularities found in people who didn’t develop covid? And were the irregularities <u>unique</u> to covid? </span></div><div><br> – Mike Alexander<br><br><p class="yahoo-quoted-begin" style="font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:10 PM, Mitchell I. Wolfe <mwolfe@vinebrook.com> wrote:</p><blockquote class="iosymail"><div id="yiv7733563908"><div>
<p>No, not this one. Stan was interested in monitoring blood oxygen in the context of COVID. This presentation does not look at that metric.</p>
<p>It's more of a general discussion about research papers about detecting COVID while you sleep. For example, one of the examples uses an Oura ring which is more of a fitness tracker and not a smartwatch.</p>
<p>-- Mitch</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:large;">Before I watch the presentation, does it cover and recommend specific watches? I haven't read the whole Samsung manual yet. Not sure what the complete list of metrics it collects data from. I have two weeks to learn the features.<br clear="none"></span></p>
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<div class="yiv7733563908v1moz-cite-prefix">On 1/16/2022 9:25 PM, Mitchell I. Wolfe wrote:</div>
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<p>I found <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIbear6SICQ&list=PLi6B6bF8hCO7L91TMSPWJEM-6ztUR_qIg&index=11&t=2700s">this recent presentation</a> from Ronald Brown M.D. about diagnosing a possible Covid infection using a smartwatch.</p>
<p>The studies are focused on monitoring vitals for irregularities while sleeping at night. The metrics were breathing rate, heart rate, heart rate variability, and skin temperature as early warning signs. Accuracy of results is an issue.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:large;">Stan,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:large;">Thank you for this information.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:large;">I just ordered my Samsung Galaxy Watch 4 Classic a day ago. Coming with a custom band only not until Jan 31st! :-(</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:large;">Drew.<br clear="none"></span></p>
<div class="yiv7733563908v1v1v1v1moz-cite-prefix">On 1/15/2022 9:35 AM, Stan Rose wrote:</div>
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<div>My daughter dropped off a pulse oximeter so we could accurately measure my and my wife's </div>
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<div>Anyways, I get the same readings on my watch as on the pulse oximeter, so that was a pleasant surprise! 👍</div>
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<div>I don't currently have access to a pulse oximeter but next doctor's appointment I'll do the comparison.</div>
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<div>BTW, the watch does, of course, also include WiFi and Bluetooth. </div>
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<div>I like that comment: heirloom quality electronics.</div>
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<p style="font-size:15px;color:#715ffa;padding-top:15px;margin-top:0;">On Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 9:27 PM, Jon Dreyer <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jon@jondreyer.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:jon@jondreyer.org" class="yiv7733563908v1v1v1v1moz-txt-link-freetext yiv7733563908v1moz-txt-link-freetext">jon@jondreyer.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p>I've drunk some of the Apple Kool-Aid (though I recently switched to a Linux laptop from Framework as I mentioned recently). Anyway, I have an iphone, so when Apple watches started having fall detection, I used that as my excuse to myself to spring for one (a series 4). (The fall detection has "worked" a few times, in that I took a few hard falls and it started warning me that it was going to call 911 before I stopped it, because I was ok.)</p>
<p>I got the version with cellular. Yes, it's $120/year, but it also means I get some phone functionality even without my phone. I have to say, most of the time I have my phone with me when I'm out, but occasionally I don't and it's been handy. Not sure it was worth the money. I hate to admit that one of the best things for me about my Apple watch is that I can use it to find my iphone. I assume that would work without cellular as long as the watch is connected to wifi (or close enough to the phone to use bluetooth).</p>
<p>BTW, I'm pretty sure all Apple watches have both bluetooth and wifi. I'm guessing the same is true for Android watches.</p>
<p>The most amusing part of the sales pitch was when he tried to upsell me the stainless steel version over the aluminum. When he told me the steel one was "heirloom quality", I started cracking up. Of course he couldn't even promise me that Apple would support the "heirloom quality" watch for a decade. I'm pretty sure my grandchildren wouldn't be wearing mine, even if it were steel.</p>
<p>-- <br clear="none">Jon "Watch: What Happens" Dreyer<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.passionatelycurious.com">Math tutor/Computer Science tutor</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://music.jondreyer.com">Jon Dreyer Music</a></p>
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<p>Following the recent discussions regarding the benefits of having fall detection and the general safety of having an LTE capable watch on your wrist I'm wondering where folks have landed on the topic. I'm still on the fence and need to decide before the sale ends on the 16th.</p>
<p>Do we have any new smart watch wearers amongst us?</p>
<ul><li>Apple Watch, LTE or Bluetooth only?</li><li>Samsung Watch, LTE or Bluetooth only?</li><li>Other smartwatch?</li></ul>
<p>Personally, my cell carrier only supports the Apple LTE watch. No time frame for supporting Samsung.</p>
<p>I'm very curious to know if anyone has a new Samsung Watch 4 and which version?</p>
<p>The sale on Samsung ends soon, which is why I'm looking forward to some quick and current feedback from anyone that has a new Samsung watch 4.</p>
<p>BTW, if you order a watch from Samsung's website you can customize the style and color of the band. If you want your watch more immediately, Best Buy is price matching Samsung's $40 discount.</p>
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