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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Drew, every five years or so I treat myself to a new workhorse computer. For this reason, I try to get everything as up to date as I can afford without excessive expense. So I had the folks at Simply NUC build my latest NUC with Ubuntu preinstalled on the internal SSD. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">That didn't work, so I rearranged things myself until I came up with what I have now. The first external enclosure I tried did not support TRIM, but the present one does. (SATA III to USB needs to support UASP protocols, and only two or so brands and four or so models of external enclosures actually do have full UASP support.) </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">So no, I did not assemble this NUC myself. But I wired the internal headers to external ports to create USB-2 and USB-3 ports for a couple of hubs. That way my web cam and external HDDs don't slow the USB-2, 2nd Gen Type A or Thunderbolt-3 buses with older, slower devices. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I did assemble my old Skylake NUC myself, and had a few issues. In the end, the Skylake NUC stopped responding to Shutdown commands from Windows or Linux, so I decided now was the time to upgrade to a new NUC. Seeing Windows 11 coming down the pike, I went with the latest or next-latest Intel chipset, Panther Canyon (11th Gen). Definitely supports all known requirements for Win 11 without workarounds. Graphics Driver recently got a bad certificate, but once that was fixed by Intel, all was well again for Win 11 requirements. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I think you need to get together with Steve Isenberg about setting things up for any proposed demos about remote desktop possibilities. He favors Anydesk. Anydesk definitely also supports Linux, so that's a reason to go that route. But ultimately it's up to those who may be presenting. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">-- Bob Primak</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div>
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On Sunday, January 16, 2022, 06:23:51 PM EST, Drew King <dking65@kingconsulting.us> wrote:
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<p>Cool,</p>
<p>Very nice system. Build from parts yourself?</p>
<p>I just need a new Ethernet cable.</p>
<p>I have a mini tower running Linux Mint. There is nothing on it.
Not sure if it has wake on LAN, If so, you or anyone would be
welcome to configure it remotely for wake on LAN. After it's
configured, you should be able to wake it up from your home. That
can be the WAN part of the demo if you wish (Conditional on it
having wake on LAN.)? I'll check and let you know.<br clear="none">
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<p>The Apple contributor would at least need to have the supported
hardware along with an Ethernet cable, even it's just for the
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<p>For me, I live in the lightning capital of the country and if I
were away from home and had a computer here that I wished to
access remotely and the power went out long enough to shut down
the machine I would appreciate the ability to remotely power that
computer on again. It's just not something that I would do very
often. I find the topic intriguing and will make an effort to
learn the technology in preparation for a potpourri class.<br clear="none">
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<p>For remote access, I have both Google Remote Desktop and
Teamviewer set up. I definitely recommend the Google remote
desktop for personal use. Teamviewer has many more features than
Google. Works excellent on windows and is supposed to work on the
Mac and also on Linux to a degree. Very easy and very secure. I
have two factor authentication configured. Might also install
Anydesk. It's also supposed to be very good software. I tried open
source remote access software with little success in comparison to
the free versions of software from Google and Teamviewer.</p>
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<p>Drew.<br clear="none">
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<div id="yiv9714383316yqt75974" class="yiv9714383316yqt9788717713"><div class="yiv9714383316moz-cite-prefix">On 1/15/2022 12:55 AM, Robert Primak
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<div dir="ltr">I hate to sign up for yet
another Short Subject, but yes, my hardware is able to do all
these Wake routines. Problem is, with COVID r<span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">estrictions, I am seldom
remote from my apartment. My extensive use of Ubuntu and
Mint would seem to make me the right choice for an
experiment. I don't go on regular out of State vacations,
even without a pandemic nearing its climax. </span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">However, I am not sure I want anyone
other than myself to be able to wake my computer for a
remote session. I keep private information in unencrypted
files and folders, so I would have to pass on anyone other
than myself actually doing a live Wake on WAN demo using
my computer and Linux. Setup would be simple, but the
privacy concern won't go away easily.</span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">I would like for Linux to be included
in the Potpourri Session. Maybe someday we will be going
live and meeting hybrid or in person again. Then this
topic could be done as a live demo, provided I do a test
run in advance. </span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Great idea for a future topic!</span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">My <span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">current</span></span> hardware is an
Intel NUC, 11th Gen Panther Canyon, with quite a few bells
and whistles, and 16 GB RAM. Ethernet is available
onboard, but the location is nowhere near a router to
connect to, and my apartment does not have Ethernet
wiring. My Ubuntu is unusual in that it runs from an
external USB 3.1 gen 2 enclosure, and therefore requires a
Bios entry (F10) to select where boot from. Same with my
Mint. That is not ideal for Wake on LAN/WAN. The internal
SSD is Windows 10 Pro. I cannot switch these SSD
locations, as Ubuntu can't run from the internal m.2 slot
for some reason, last I checked. (It gets fatal disk I/O
errors in there.) (The internal SSD is an NVMe SSD with a
PCIE2 or 4 interface.) <span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">And if I swap SSDs, Windows will not be
where it can boot from.</span></span></span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">If I ever buy a device to run Ubuntu
on internally, that would be a better test machine. </span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">If anyone else wants to use their
recently installed Linux Mint or Ubuntu as a test for this
demo, I would love to see that in action! With written
notes to share, preferably. And/or references. I don't
want to impose on Steve Isenberg for any more of his time
and effort than he feels comfortable providing. And
besides, Steve may be our best Apple Mac person for this
idea. Anyone else with Linux want to give this a try? </span></span></div>
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<div> On Friday, January 14, 2022, 10:03:03 PM EST, Drew King
<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" href="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" class="yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><dking65@kingconsulting.us></a> wrote: </div>
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<p><font size="4">Bob,</font></p>
<p><font size="4">The potpourri meetings are a group of
people presenting for one meeting? I'd be up for
that. It would be great if there were one Mac user
with Ethernet at home to talk to waking up a Mac
remotely. Linux can wake up too if the hardware
supports it. Are there any potential Linux users
with wake on LAN compatible hardware? A meeting that
covers all three angles might work.<br clear="none">
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<p><font size="4">If a Windows computer that you want to
remote into goes to sleep because it's set that way
by default then there is a good reason to know how
to wake up a computer remotely so you can initiate
whatever remote access software you choose to use. I
would imagine that none of the free remote control
software programs allow you to remotely wake the
computer.<br clear="none">
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<p><font size="4">I imagine it's comforting when
traveling to know you can use your cell to wake up
your computer when you're away.<br clear="none">
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<p><font size="4">What I would do (Will do as a test
just to know I can.) is first choose a remote
desktop program that can auto-start when the
computer boots and not require the user be logged in
first. Then, see if I can make it work with my
current hardware.<br clear="none">
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<p><font size="4">Google Remote Desktop meets these
requirements. It requires the Google browser on the
host, which I use anyway.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">Next, gain access to my home network
router via Open VPN on my cell phone. I'm pretty
certain if port forwarding is turned on in advance
you don't need to be VPN into the local network. <br clear="none">
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<p><font size="4">Then, run a wake up app on my cell.
There are several to choose from.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">I just discovered a few minutes ago
that Teamviewer supports wake on LAN inside it's
remote access product!! I looked for it on my
computer but couldn't find it.<br clear="none">
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<p><b>ALSO: Teammviewer is a great remote control app
that is free for personal use.</b><br clear="none">
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<p style="margin:8px 0px 16px;padding:0px;color:rgb(107, 130, 155);font-family:Roboto, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica, Raleway, Arial, sans-serif, Color UI UI -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica, Raleway, Arial, sans-serif, Color UI UI;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">"You
can turn on a sleeping or powered-off computer using
TeamViewer’s <a shape="rect" href="https://www.teamviewer.com/en/info/wake-on-lan/" style="background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-size:inherit;color:rgb(3, 133, 227);" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Wake-on-LAN</a> feature.
This means you can control an offline computer
remotely by waking it up first before you establish
a connection to it. </p>
<p style="margin:8px 0px 16px;padding:0px;color:rgb(107, 130, 155);font-family:Roboto, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica, Raleway, Arial, sans-serif, Color UI UI -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica, Raleway, Arial, sans-serif, Color UI UI;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">You
can initiate the wake-up request from another Windows
or Mac computer, or even from an Android or iOS device
running the TeamViewer Remote Control app. </p>
<p style="margin:8px 0px 16px;padding:0px;color:rgb(107, 130, 155);font-family:Roboto, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica, Raleway, Arial, sans-serif, Color UI UI -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica, Raleway, Arial, sans-serif, Color UI UI;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;">📌<strong style="font-weight:700;">Note</strong>: It’s not
possible to wake up a Mac computer that is fully
powered down, as Apple doesn’t allow this. Macs can
only be woken up from sleep mode. Windows and Linux
PCs, however, can be woken up from sleep and
hibernation mode as well as being fully powered down,
so long as the hardware supports this. "<br clear="none">
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<p>Drew.<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv9714383316moz-cite-prefix">On 1/14/2022
11:01 AM, Robert Primak wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">So how do you set up the remote PC
(at home in FL) to wake up for a session, then go
back to sleep or turn almost all the way off, to
conserve components and power?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Is there enough interest in our group
for a presentation on this subject? (Potpourri or
longer?)</div>
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<div> On Thursday, January 13, 2022, 09:53:30 PM
EST, Drew King <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" href="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" class="yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><dking65@kingconsulting.us></a>
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<p><font size="4">I feel confident about
this free one I just used.</font></p>
<p><font size="4"><a shape="rect" href="https://remotedesktop.google.com" class="yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-freetext yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://remotedesktop.google.com</a></font></p>
<p><font size="4">There is a small program
that gets installed on your host
computer and the remote is handled via
browser. You must be logged into your
google account to use the software. Both
computers are authenticated via google.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">Completely free.</font></p>
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<p>Drew.<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv9714383316moz-cite-prefix">On
1/13/2022 9:45 PM, <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bhff02@aol.com" href="mailto:bhff02@aol.com" class="yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-abbreviated yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-freetext yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">bhff02@aol.com</a>
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<div> <font size="2">Has anyone vetted
these "free" remote programs?</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Check out this
article <a shape="rect" href="https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/disable-remote-desktop" class="yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-freetext yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/disable-remote-desktop</a></font></div>
<div><font size="2">Free or not, how do
you know whether they are secure?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Barry Hass</font><br clear="none">
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From: Steve Isenberg <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" href="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" class="yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><smisenberg@gmail.com></a><br clear="none">
To: Drew King <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" href="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" class="yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><dking65@kingconsulting.us></a><br clear="none">
Cc: Lex Computer Group <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" class="yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><lctg@lists.toku.us></a><br clear="none">
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Subject: Re: [Lex Computer &
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<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9714383316gmail_default">I've used AnyDesk. <a shape="rect" href="https://anydesk.com/en" class="yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-freetext yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://anydesk.com/en</a></div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9714383316gmail_default">Free for personal use. <br clear="none">
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Drew King <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" href="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" class="yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-freetext yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">dking65@kingconsulting.us</a>>
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<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="yiv9714383316gmail_quote">All,<br clear="none">
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Its been years since the last
time I have used any kind of
unattended <br clear="none">
remote control. The last one I
used doesn't offer a free
product anymore.<br clear="none">
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I have a friend traveling from
New York to Florida in a few
weeks and he <br clear="none">
needs to only for one week be
able to remote into his
computer at home <br clear="none">
without having somebody there
to accept the inbound host
connection.<br clear="none">
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What would be the most
reliable choice that's free
that would let him <br clear="none">
remote into home from my
computer here in Florida?<br clear="none">
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I found this list of more than
10 products only it's better
to learn <br clear="none">
from somebody who uses a
program their happy with.<br clear="none">
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<a shape="rect" href="https://www.lifewire.com/free-remote-access-software-tools-2625161" class="yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-freetext yiv9714383316moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.lifewire.com/free-remote-access-software-tools-2625161</a><br clear="none">
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