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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Helen Caldicott has never advocated for using fossil fuels as an alternative to nuclear fission power. So where's the beef against her?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">-- Bob Primak </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 11:01:11 AM EDT, L Wittig <9423lew@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv4109020772"><div><div dir="ltr">If you think about it, Helen Caldicott probably did more to exacerbate global warming than any other individual on earth.</div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv4109020772gmail_quote"><div id="yiv4109020772yqt63915" class="yiv4109020772yqt3229262118"><div dir="ltr" class="yiv4109020772gmail_attr">On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 10:55 PM Carl Lazarus <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:carllazarus@comcast.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:carllazarus@comcast.net">carllazarus@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="yiv4109020772gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US" style=""><div class="yiv4109020772gmail-m_-4553800835796139069WordSection1"><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">I agree that it is a shame we have been moving away from nuclear electricity. It is not perfect, but it beats gas.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">Maybe a next generation of nuclear will gain acceptance, but it is years away.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">-- Carl<u></u><u></u></p><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;"><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Ted Kochanski <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>> <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 24, 2022 7:31 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Daniel Silber <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dasilber@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dasilber@gmail.com">dasilber@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> Carl Lazarus <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:carllazarus@comcast.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:carllazarus@comcast.net">carllazarus@comcast.net</a>>; <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] New England's Largest Battery Is Hidden Inside A Mass. Mountain | WBUR News<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">All,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">I know a bit about Northfield Mountain -- originally a project of Northeast Utilities [I was a long-time shareholder] -- it was built because first gen nuclear fission plants didn't much "like" throttling<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"> Essentially due south of Northfield was [and somewhat still is] one the "most muscular" clusters of fission reactors [Connecticut Yankee -- Hadam Conn and Milestone 1,2,3 directly on Long Island Sound] . Essentially due ue north was the older and and smaller Yankee atomic [Rowe MA and Vt Yankee on the CT River]<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">During the day they provided much of the baseload for New England except for Boston Metro which had Pilgrim and Seabrook] and the more remote Maine Yankee<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">At night most of the nukes hads not too much to power -- so -- why not pump some water <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">ERGO Norhtfield mountain -- which also provided a recreational facility -- courtesy of your friendly electric utility<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">Prior to the anti-nuclear craziness -- new england was on--tap for a nearly Green Electric [and nuclear] system<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">Ted<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM Daniel Silber <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dasilber@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dasilber@gmail.com">dasilber@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;"><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">Hello All,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">I went to Northfield Mountain with the M.I.T. Outing Club in Feb. 1976 because there was a cross-country skiing center there, on top of the "battery".<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">Dan<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 10:33 AM Carl Lazarus <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:carllazarus@comcast.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:carllazarus@comcast.net">carllazarus@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;"><div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">Thank you, Harry. I am amazed that I did not know about the Northfield facility. Pumped water storage still represents over 90% of all the world’s electricity storage. The world’s largest such facility is in Virginia, or was the last time I looked. I don’t know what China has done very recently. Unfortunately, there is not a huge growth potential of pumped hydro as we know it, because you need certain geography to make it feasible: an upper reservoir and a lower reservoir or running water source, with enough of a height differential. There is some interest in using the height difference between underground caverns and the ground, but so far it has not had much traction.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">Yes it is wasteful of energy, as is electrolyzing water to make hydrogen as an energy storage medium and later oxidizing the hydrogen in fuel cells. However, if you have excess solar and wind energy production at some times of the day/year, it is less wasteful to convert it to something than to just throw it away.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">-- Carl<u></u><u></u></p><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;"><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+carllazarus=<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:comcast.net@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:comcast.net@lists.toku.us">comcast.net@lists.toku.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harry Forsdick<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 17, 2022 8:58 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] New England's Largest Battery Is Hidden Inside A Mass. Mountain | WBUR News<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">Here is a large scale battery based on the differences in cost of electricity between high and low periods of demand. Right here in Massachusetts!<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">— Harry<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.wbur.org/news/2016/12/02/northfield-mountain-hydroelectric-station">https://www.wbur.org/news/2016/12/02/northfield-mountain-hydroelectric-station</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">===============================================<br clear="none">::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br clear="none">Reply goes to sender only; Reply All to send to list.<br clear="none">Send to the list: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a> Message archives: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.toku.us/private.cgi/lctg-toku.us">http://lists.toku.us/private.cgi/lctg-toku.us</a><br clear="none">To subscribe: email <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us">lctg-subscribe@toku.us</a> To unsubscribe: email <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us">lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us</a><br clear="none">Future and Past meeting information: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://LCTG.toku.us">http://LCTG.toku.us</a><br clear="none">List information: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us">http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us</a><br clear="none">This message was sent to <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dasilber@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dasilber@gmail.com">dasilber@gmail.com</a>.<br clear="none">Set your list options: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/dasilber@gmail.com">http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/dasilber@gmail.com</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><p class="yiv4109020772MsoNormal">===============================================<br clear="none">::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br clear="none">Reply goes to sender only; Reply All to send to list.<br clear="none">Send to the list: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a> Message archives: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.toku.us/private.cgi/lctg-toku.us">http://lists.toku.us/private.cgi/lctg-toku.us</a><br clear="none">To subscribe: email <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us">lctg-subscribe@toku.us</a> To unsubscribe: email <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us">lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us</a><br clear="none">Future and Past meeting information: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://LCTG.toku.us">http://LCTG.toku.us</a><br clear="none">List information: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us">http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us</a><br clear="none">This message was sent to <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>.<br clear="none">Set your list options: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/tedpkphd@gmail.com">http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/tedpkphd@gmail.com</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div>===============================================<br clear="none">
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