<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Suppose one takes a middle ground ( often a prudent approach with much unknown) <br>and assumes that we do have man made warming which long term might create serious problems world wide. Of course the degree of harm , the likely probability and the timetable are also not fully known or agreed upon even by credentialed experts. <div><br><div>That said we shouldn’t ignore the problem , nor should we go overboard and stop </div><div>poor countries from growing their economies or take extreme actions that seriously </div><div>harm the standard of living of wealthy countries. </div><div><br></div><div>If we start as above we can look at realistic ways to work on the problem to reduce man made warming in a calm and deliberate matter and look at the tradeoffs involved. </div><div><br></div><div>As I see it neither extremes are following this path. </div><div> On one extreme are total deniers, who do nothing , and on the other extreme are the “end of the world screamers” who would destroy our economy and impoverish the third world with extreme remedies.</div><div><br></div><div>The poor countries will not listen to the warming extremists so continue to pollute </div><div>with no real effort to contain emissions .. and their emissions dwarf those of the rich countries. </div><div><br></div><div>If man made warming is a threat it was caused by technology over a long period. </div><div>and It can be solved by technology but that will also take a long time. </div><div><br></div><div>We need to move to the middle and work on long term solutions and ignore the extremes on both sides. </div><div><br></div><div>The whole warming othing has become a quasi-religious political battle when it should be a long term research project like curing cancer . </div><div><br></div><div>just my opinion. </div><div>marvin </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> <div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 11, 2022, at 1:20 PM, Stephen Quatrano <stefanoq@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Shelley,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What is known about this website, this guy, and this (every changing) argument? I knew nothing about him. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here’s what I found in 3 minutes on Google. </div><div class="">- <a href="https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Anthony_Watts" class="">https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Anthony_Watts</a><div class="">- <a href="https://wottsupwiththat.com/" class="">https://wottsupwiththat.com/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On the other hand, I know a lot about many of the actual scientists in this field, some of them neighbors from MIT and Harvard and Tufts, actually. Kerry Emanuel, a Reagan Republican is a great example, a skeptic for DECADES before the evidence compelled him to change his mind in 2003.</div><div class="">- <a href="https://emanuel.mit.edu/" class="">https://emanuel.mit.edu/</a></div><div class="">- <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Emanuel" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Emanuel</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You should check out his work. It’s quite remarkable. He’s a physicist, not an environmentalist or a policy wonk. He’s skeptical but not cynical.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Of course, Shelley, I completely respect your opinion that “maybe we don’t need to do anything at all.” You could be right: it’s unlikely but possible that the cure could be worse than the disease. But what is happening to the planet Earth and why is NOT a matter of opinion but of science. I prefer to trust those with credentials, methods and a 50 year track record of peer reviewed papers that actually represent a respectful and evidence-based conversation between highly skeptical scientists. I have also done a bit of independent review of the literature, learning some physics and climatology in the process. It’s pretty interesting. I recommend it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Watts has a track record of asking questions in the form of “What about [fill in the blank]?” and then ignoring the answer. His arguments do not actually refute any of the literature while there are many, many resources that refute his arguments one by one. It’s completely asymmetrical: a global community of thousands of sciences and dozens of independent models (including those of Exxon before 1995, by the way) and a tiny group of organized deniers backed by industry completely isolated from the science.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you don’t think action is justified, say so. But IMO it’s unwise to attack and discredit vital institutions we need to understand what is happening. In an open society, a vigorous debate about what should be done is not only legitimate but essential to our Republic; however, we ought to be able to come to some agreement on a shared reality. Since the Enlightenment, science, empirical measurement and experimental evidence are what we agree on to live together.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SQ<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:38 PM, Shelly Lowenthal <<a href="mailto:shelly.lowenthal@gmail.com" class="">shelly.lowenthal@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Maybe we don’t need to do anything at all? 7 years and 10 months of no warming. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/07/02/the-new-pause-lengthens-to-7-years-10-months/" class="">https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/07/02/the-new-pause-lengthens-to-7-years-10-months/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Don’t forget, cold kills more people than warmth. Lots of cold weather crop damage in the last year. <br class=""><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:09 PM, L Wittig <<a href="mailto:9423lew@gmail.com" class="">9423lew@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">This is considered a somewhat of a backup solution if other measures don't slow global warming in time.<div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><a href="https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/7/10/2109508/-Move-over-GeoEngineering-Climate-solutions-MIT-has-found-a-Mitigation-method-that-works-from-Space" class="">https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/7/10/2109508/-Move-over-GeoEngineering-Climate-solutions-MIT-has-found-a-Mitigation-method-that-works-from-Space</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.sciencealert.com/mit-engineers-propose-cooling-our-planet-with-a-raft-of-space-bubbles" class="">https://www.sciencealert.com/mit-engineers-propose-cooling-our-planet-with-a-raft-of-space-bubbles</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://senseable.mit.edu/space-bubbles/" class="">https://senseable.mit.edu/space-bubbles/</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-- Larry</div></div></div>
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