<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Not hard to find technical articles on metals including lead leaching out of these panels. Here are just a few. <div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0957582020318310">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0957582020318310</a></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gayatri-Panthi/publication/341725893_Leaching_of_Solar_cells/links/5fa3654b299bf10f73250096/Leaching-of-Solar-cells?origin=publication_detail">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gayatri-Panthi/publication/341725893_Leaching_of_Solar_cells/links/5fa3654b299bf10f73250096/Leaching-of-Solar-cells?origin=publication_detail</a></div><div><br></div><div>And how to leach out the metals during recycling.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29637455/">https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29637455/</a><br><br><div dir="ltr">Shelly Lowenthal</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 25, 2022, at 10:39 PM, Alan Millner <armillner48@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Shelly, don’t go overboard with the toxic solar panels thing. Today’s solar panels are made of silicon, think sand. The kinds of panels that can leach toxic stuff would be cadmium Telluride, not really used much and probably never will be, and perovskite, not used yet and need a lot of work to become practical, and would need to deal with that problem before deployment. Stopping deployment of today’s panels because of frantic fears of other types really does not make sense. Where did your information on this come from?<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><div class="">On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:40 PM, Shelly Lowenthal <<a href="mailto:shelly.lowenthal@gmail.com" class="">shelly.lowenthal@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Lots of reasons why cold kills - just ask relatives of those that died in Texas after power was turned off. Hard to slip when it’s hot, easy to slip on ice and crack your skull (among the many other slip and fall winter injuries). Faint when it’s warm and you’ll wake up later - faint below freezing and you know what happens. Please don’t shovel snow when you’re older than 75 - blood thickens and you get lots of heart attack visits to the ER. Trust me - no one wants to live in Siberia - they would rather live inGhana. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The key thing is to adapt as weather gets colder or hotter. How are we doing in Boston where the temperature goes from 0F in winter to 100F this summer. Have we succeeded? Heat and air conditioning? Can we handle 1F to 101F? Can we do it if our power systems are bombed to the Stone Age and all we have is unreliable solar and wind and no job or money as all work has moved to China powered by coal? How much did wind help our friends in Texas? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The last item to think about is what to do with solar panels that leach poisons into the ground. Let’s not add anymore until that is figured out and let’s not pretend that someone will figure it out in the future. What’s our plan with turbine blades - can’t be recycled. Is our plan to bury it in land dumps or in the Marianna Trench? Will these companies be bankrupt when those bills are due? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Nothing is simple. Best bet - make society rich so that it can adapt to the future. We’ve done very well so far.<br class=""><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Shelly Lowenthal</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jul 25, 2022, at 7:39 PM, Ted Kochanski <<a href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" class="">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Michael, et al<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The issue needs to be separated into fundamental understanding of the processes involved -- we have made huge progress in the main -- but much is still uncertain and the supposed effects [much much more difficult to show any credible correlation let alone a causal relationship] which are a hoge-podge of anecdotal information without much if any scientific rigor.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For example there is no evidence despite quite exhaustive studies of secular trends in Tropical Cyclone intensity or frequency. There are of course secular trends in the number of people affected and lives lost -- all show strong decreases due to enhanced prediction and warning. This is despite the fact that vastly larger numbers of people live in coastal plains and on barrier islands. The same can be said of Tornado intensity and occurrence -- no evidence they are getting more frequent or more intense. Some suggestion that the damage [in $] maybe increasing mostly due to replacement of rural communities with suburbs of place in "Tornado Alley"</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Wildfires are so dependent on forest management and settlement patterns [no-one used to live in the brush on the hillsides in California which burn on a regular basis] that no conclusions can be drawn related to climate over time.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You ask -- Are some things agreed upon [up to a point]</div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">overall, temperatures have increasing globally -- since 1970. B</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">but there were several periods including just before 1970 when we talked of "Global Cooling" -- sufficiently urgently to trigger fears of the return of glaciation in our lifetimes and talk of spreading carbon black</div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">glaciers have been melting, pole to pole, for decades -- off and on for nearly a century</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">glacial melting is much more a product of snowfall than temperature</div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">we keep finding paleolithic evidence for people in the regions which are typically Glacial -- e.g. the "ice Man" </div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">receding glaciers are uncovering settlements made during the Medieval Optimum -- obviously it was warm then</div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class=""> That CO2 and CH4 atmospheric concentrations have increased? </div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">CO2 has been monitored in Hawaii for 60 years since the IGY </div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">lots of uncertainty of global levels of CO2 in earlier times depending on the manner of measurement</div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">Methane is very complicated as a lot apparently is bacteria in the soil -- some of which we may have influenced</div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">No mention of the dominant greenhouse gas H2O for obvious reasons </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class="">So -- yes there are things generally agreed to -- but even those come with caveats and copious footnotes<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Ted</blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 6:22 PM Michael Alexander <<a href="mailto:mna.ma@yahoo.com" class="">mna.ma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="">
Shelly Lowenthal -<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">6x more people in Spain die from heat than cold? How about Siberia, then? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You say Lancet reports that more people die from cold than heat (citation?), but you don’t ask why. Is it because of inadequate heating, for example? Does “cold” (a qualitative descriptor) alone really explain what’s going on? <br class=""><br class="">You are trying to make huge generalizations from single pieces of data – moreover, you repeatedly assume a single variable explains multivariate phenomena. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You claim nothing is “settled” in climate science. That’s too categorical statement to be useful. Are some things agreed upon, starting with the statement that, overall, temperatures are increasing globally (glaciers have been melting, pole to pole, for decades, e.g.)? That CO2 and CH4 atmospheric concentrations have increased? And so on. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">More relevant than talking about “settled” or “not settled”, ask whether climate scientists have ac<span id="gmail-m_-4913185489991718287yahoo-rte-cursor-span" class=""></span>counted for climatic changes within reasonable numerical bounds.<br class=""><br class=""> – Mike Alexander</div><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""><p style="font-size:15px;color:rgb(113,95,250);padding-top:15px;margin-top:0px" class="">On Monday, July 25, 2022, 4:21 PM, Shelly Lowenthal <<a href="mailto:shelly.lowenthal@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">shelly.lowenthal@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote class=""><div id="gmail-m_-4913185489991718287yiv0406492980" class=""><div class="">Nothing is settled in Climate science. If so, then there would be an exact number for temperature rise with a doubling of CO2. Estimates are .5 to over 5C. Sounds like the scientists are guessing, just like their failed temperature projections. <div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">As the world warmed (yes we all agree on this) - Malaria death decreased. Cheap power used to drain swamps, power delivery of insecticides, and clean the environment contributed to this. </div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><a shape="rect" href="https://ourworldindata.org/malaria-introduction" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">https://ourworldindata.org/malaria-introduction</a></div><br clear="none" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Lancet has reports that cold kills more than warmth. Do you want to see the world get cold again? It certainly will, eventually, and not to our benefit. There are medical reasons for this.</div><div dir="ltr" id="gmail-m_-4913185489991718287yiv0406492980AppleMailSignature" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" id="gmail-m_-4913185489991718287yiv0406492980AppleMailSignature" class=""><span id="cid:18237a7abf2cb9708ce1"><image.jpg></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="gmail-m_-4913185489991718287yiv0406492980AppleMailSignature" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" id="gmail-m_-4913185489991718287yiv0406492980AppleMailSignature" class="">Not illogical to claim that the ‘Green Elites’ forced Germany to shut down nuclear and coal plants leaving just gas plants - that’s the truth. Result was Germany outsourcing energy to Russia which has proven to be a big mistake - check their prices for gas and electricity compared to ours. Disaster for Germans this winter. Solar and wind has been a major failure when the wind doesn’t blow and Germany has been importing electricity from nuclear France as England has. Now they are restarting coal plants. </div><div dir="ltr" id="gmail-m_-4913185489991718287yiv0406492980AppleMailSignature" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Shelly Lowenthal</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div id="gmail-m_-4913185489991718287yiv0406492980yqtfd95765" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jul 25, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Ted Kochanski <<a href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></blockquote></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div id="gmail-m_-4913185489991718287yiv0406492980yqtfd92702" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Jerry,<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Lonborg is a true believer in environmentalism as opposed to Catastrophism</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Even the IPCC says that going "cold=turkey" on CO2 would have at best marginal effects on the predictions for 2100</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">The whole issue of why the climate varies is still a most open question -- there are known naturally occuring aspects:</div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">long-term orbital changes [mostly periodic]</div><div class="">long-term plate tectonic changes of the layout of the continents and oceans</div><div class="">long-term, large scale volcanism [e.g. Deccan Traps in India, similar flows in Siberia ]</div><div class="">meteoric impacts</div><div class="">small-scale short-lived volcanic events [<a shape="rect" href="http://e.gh/" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">e.gh</a>. Mt. Pinatubo]</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Oceanic Circulation changes:</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">Pacific Decadal Oscillation [PDO]</div><div class="">El Niño–Southern Oscillation [ENSO]</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class="">Oceanic Atmospheric Circulation changes:<br clear="none" class=""></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">North Atlantic Oscillation [NAO]<br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Arctic oscillation [AO] aka Northern Annular Mode/Northern Hemisphere Annular Mode [NAM]</div><div class=""> Antarctic oscillation aka Southern Annular Mode [SAM]<br clear="none" class=""></div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">Solar Activity changes</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">Solar brightness</div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">Solar Magnetic Field extent -- influencing penetration of galactic cosmic rays into the earth's atmosphere</div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">Solar spectral changes</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class=""><div class="">Humans have more or less local/regional impacts mostly due to "urban heat islands" and land-use pattern changes</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px" class="">Finally we have the highly contentious matter of impacts directly caused by human emissions of CO2, CH4, and other lesser "greenhouse gases"<br clear="none" class="">The effects of these themselves are then "multiplied" by changes in atmospheric water vapor [by far the most prevalent and impactful "greenhouse gas"] -- but this is poorly understood as it is a very complex 3D circulation between ocean water, vertical conveyance by tropical thunderstorms and conveyance poleward by the prevailing westerlies in temperate latitudes with some less well understood interaction with polar ice and snow<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">Even the most capable computers can not handle the complete system of processes which we think we understand and apply it to a non-spherical earth [we only include a generic friction parameter to account for things such as small as the Appalachian Mountains] -- and then there are the unknown processes which we have no way of accounting for in the models<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">That's predominantly why the modelers compare themselves to each other rather than the "ground truth" -- just look at the "spaghetti plots" produced for tropical storms/hurricanes [some of them have predicted trajectories perpendicular to some of the others]<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">Ted<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class="">PS: As someone pointed out all of the carbon buried under Pennsylvania, etc., in the form of Coal, Oil, Natural Gas was once in the atmosphere -- plants don't get the carbon for photosynthesis from the limestone rocks [another amazingly large repository of carbon once in the atmosphere]<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></blockquote></div><br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 2:11 PM Jerry Harris <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:jerryharri@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">jerryharri@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Marvin, <div class="">I think you've proven my point with Lomborg. It's not just the media that has called out his shifting and inaccurate claims, but real climate scientists have as well. He has long discounted the cost and severity of climate change, striving to spin a silver lining whenever possible:</div><div class="">- his claims that rising CO2 levels will increase crop yields</div><div class="">- his statement that since more people die in winter months, a warming planet will be good - ignoring that the data includes indirect influenza deaths and that a warming planet will increase malaria deaths</div><div class="">- illogically claiming that the elites' "obsession" with climate change lead Germany to become solely reliant on Russian gas pipeline </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">I think Lomborg is the human version of the young woman/old woman optical illusion. Some of what he says is sensible and reasonable, and some of what he says is selective and contradictory. With his constant shifts he can always cherry-pick those claims that turn out "right". </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Jerry</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div></div><br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 8:40 PM Marvin Menzin <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:mmenzin@icloud.com" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">mmenzin@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class=""></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=""><div class="">Fyi.. more on the remedies for warming..<div class="">Lomberg does not deny warming.. but he advocates a serious cost benefit analysis on remedies before going whole hog</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">He favors nuclear power, and also believes it is a mistake to push green power so fast that it disrupts poorer nations from getting richer. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">he is one of the few who challenges rapid disruptive approaches that harm the prospects for a better life for the worlds poor nations in the name of rapidly saving the planet..no matter what the bad side effects . </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Lomberg has written lots of articles on this theme and is considered controversial in most media. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""> <br clear="none" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br clear="none" class="">Begin forwarded message:<br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><b class="">From:</b> Marvin Menzin <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:mmenzin@icloud.com" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">mmenzin@icloud.com</a>><br clear="none" class=""><b class="">Date:</b> July 23, 2022 at 9:52:33 AM EDT<br clear="none" class=""><b class="">To:</b> Isaac Menzin <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:isaacmenzin@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">isaacmenzin@gmail.com</a>>, sammy hepner <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:sammyhepner@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">sammyhepner@gmail.com</a>>, Joseph Menzin <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:joemenzin@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">joemenzin@gmail.com</a>>, Abe Menzin <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:abemenzin@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">abemenzin@hotmail.com</a>>, jon menzin <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:jon.menzin@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">jon.menzin@gmail.com</a>>, sally tyszka <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:smtyszka@comcast.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">smtyszka@comcast.net</a>>, abby hepner <<a shape="rect" 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style="font-size:1.95552em;line-height:1.2141em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0.5em;max-width:100%" class="">A sidewalk in London, July 20.</h1><div style="margin-bottom:1.45em;max-width:100%" class=""><div style="margin:0px;max-width:100%;font-size:1em;display:inline" class="">By <div style="margin: 0px; max-width: 100%; font-size: 1em; display: inline;" class=""><span style="margin:0px;max-width:100%;font-size:1em;display:inline" class="">Bjorn Lomborg</span> </div></div><span style="margin:0.07em 0.45em 0px;padding:0px;max-width:100%;font-size:1em;display:inline" class=""></span>July 21, 2022 6:36 pm ET</div><div style="max-width:100%" class=""><img src="https://images.wsj.net/im-587412?width=860&height=573" alt="" title="" style="max-width: 100%; margin: 0.5em auto; display: block; height: auto;" class="" data-unique-identifier=""></div><span style="max-width:100%;margin-top:0.25em;margin-bottom:0.25em" class=""><span style="max-width:100%" class="">Photo: </span>andy rain/Shutterstock</span><p style="max-width:100%" class="">Such arguments are misleading. It’s true that as temperatures rise the world will experience more heat waves, but humans also adapt to such things. In <a shape="rect" href="https://enveurope.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s12302-021-00542-7" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(65,110,210);max-width:100%" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">Spain, for example</a>, rising temperatures have actually led to fewer heat deaths, because people have adapted faster than temperatures have gone up. It simply took air conditioning, public cooling centers and better treatment of maladies that are caused or aggravated by heat, such as heatstroke and heart disease.</p><p style="max-width:100%" class="">The exclusive focus on heat deaths is also misleading. Across the world, low temperatures are <a shape="rect" href="https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00081-4/fulltext" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(65,110,210);max-width:100%" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">much more dangerous</a> than high ones: Half a million people die each year from heat, but more than 4.5 million die from cold. While rising temperatures will increase heat deaths, they will also decrease cold deaths. A recent Lancet study <a shape="rect" href="https://twitter.com/BjornLomborg/status/1548650946544209920" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(65,110,210);max-width:100%" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">found</a> that rising temperatures since 2000 have on net reduced the number of temperature-related deaths. Researchers concluded that by the end of the 2010s, rising temperatures globally were causing 116,000 more heat deaths annually, but also leading to 283,000 fewer cold deaths a year. </p><p style="max-width:100%" class="">Moreover, politicians’ singular focus on climate change ignores that people are much more worried about rampant inflation, especially rising food and energy prices. And climate policies are making those problems worse. </p><div style="margin-bottom: 1.15em; max-width: 100%; clear: both; font-size: 0.75em; line-height: 1.4em; font-family: -apple-system-font; float: left; margin-right: 20px; width: 300px;" class=""><div style="max-width:100%;margin:0px" class=""><div style="max-width:100%;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;width:300px" class=""><div style="max-width:100%;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;width:300px" class=""><div style="max-width:100%;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;width:300px" class=""><span style="max-width:100%;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" class="">Opinion</span><h5 style="font-size:1em;margin:0.5em 0px;max-width:100%" class="">Morning Editorial Report</h5><div style="max-width:100%;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em" class=""><div style="max-width: 100%; margin-top: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 0.5em;" class="">All the day's Opinion headlines.</div></div></div></div><hr style="min-height:0.5px;border:0px;max-width:100%;margin-top:0.5em;margin-bottom:0.5em;width:285px" class=""></div></div></div><p style="max-width:100%" class="">Much of the extreme energy-price increase that normal people are dealing with is caused by Russia’s war in Ukraine. But things wouldn’t be nearly as bad if the West hadn’t thrown up green roadblocks to its own energy security, such as President Biden’s moratorium on gas leases or Europe’s refusal to dig into its substantial shale gas reserves. Climate policies also increase energy prices by subsidizing renewables like solar and wind. That makes it even harder to adapt to the extreme temperatures climate activists bemoan. You need cheap and reliable energy to afford air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter.</p><p style="max-width:100%" class="">Rising fuel prices are also making food more expensive. Low-cost synthetic fertilizer is one of the greatest technologies humanity has invented for feeding the world, but it’s mostly made with natural gas. Even with almost a billion people at risk of starvation, climate-obsessed bureaucrats <a shape="rect" href="https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-split-over-fertiliser-plants-poorer-nations-food-crisis-bites-2022-06-20/" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(65,110,210);max-width:100%" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">still object </a>to producing more fertilizer because of the fossil fuels required. </p><p style="max-width:100%" class="">The cost of green policies will become even harder to bear if politicians make good on their promises to hit net-zero emissions. Achieving this globally by 2050 would cost more than $5 trillion a year for the next three decades, <a shape="rect" href="https://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/sustainability/our-insights/the-economic-transformation-what-would-change-in-the-net-zero-transition" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(65,110,210);max-width:100%" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">according</a> to McKinsey. That would be one-third of total global tax revenue. If every American were to shell out more than <a shape="rect" href="https://twitter.com/BjornLomborg/status/1431599612616445958" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(65,110,210);max-width:100%" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">$5,000 a year</a>, it would only get the U.S. 80% of the way there by midcentury. Hitting 100% would likely cost more than twice that. The European Union already pays <a shape="rect" href="https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/76c57f2f-174c-11eb-b57e-01aa75ed71a1/language-en" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(65,110,210);max-width:100%" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">€69 billion</a> a year in subsidies to support its renewables. But if the EU persists with its even stauncher promises of net-zero, that annual climate policy cost is likely to exceed $1 trillion.</p><p style="max-width:100%" class="">No wonder there’s political pushback to environmental grandstanding. The Netherlands has been roiled by protests since the government mandated in June that nitrogen-oxide and ammonia emissions, which are produced by livestock, must be slashed by 70% to 80% in some parts of the country. As many as 40,000 farmers demonstrated against the measure last month. Holland is among the world’s 10 largest food exporters, and these policies would decimate the country’s agriculture industry while global hunger is rising. </p><p style="max-width:100%" class="">Sri Lanka is the epitome of elite environmentalism gone wrong. Pushed to go organic by activists and the World Economic Forum, the government banned synthetic fertilizers in April 2021. Food production collapsed and the currency defaulted. Hungry and outraged citizens launched protests, overran the presidential palace, and forced the government to resign en masse and the president to flee the country.</p><p style="max-width:100%" class="">It’s entirely possible to help the climate and working families at the same time. The policies to do so are innovation-focused. Policy makers need to recognize that they simply can’t eliminate fossil fuels with current technologies. The world gets almost 80% of its energy from fossil fuels, and even if all current climate policies were fully implemented, by midcentury fossil fuels would still provide more than half of all energy used world-wide, <a shape="rect" href="https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/4ed140c1-c3f3-4fd9-acae-789a4e14a23c/WorldEnergyOutlook2021.pdf" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(65,110,210);max-width:100%" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" class="">according</a> to the International Energy Agency. Instead of sending energy prices sky-high by trying to force a transition to renewables prematurely, policy makers should focus on funding research to develop clean energy sources that are actually affordable and reliable. And instead of badgering farmers to go organic, governments should invest in research to develop varieties of crops and agricultural practices that deliver higher yields with a smaller environmental footprint. </p><p style="max-width:100%" class="">Some of these technologies are already in development. Greater funding could bring them to fruition more quickly and do a lot more to help limit emissions than the policies activists now hawk. These sorts of sensible measures would cost much less than policies like net-zero, leaving more money to meet the world’s many other challenges.</p><p style="max-width:100%" class="">It’s starting to dawn on some elites that their policies are creating political dangers. Frans Timmermans, the European Commission’s vice president, has said that many millions of Europeans may not be able to heat their homes this winter. This, he concludes, could lead to “very, very strong conflict and strife.”</p><p style="max-width:100%" class="">He’s right. When people are cold, hungry and broke, they rebel. If the elites continue pushing incredibly expensive policies that are disconnected from the urgent challenges facing most people, we need to brace for chaos.</p><p style="max-width:100%" class=""><em style="max-width:100%" class="">Mr. Lomborg is president of the Copenhagen Consensus and visiting fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. 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