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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Well, folks are we satisfied? We have turned our group's email list once again into a political forum.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I admit to participating in causing this.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I can imagine someone coming here looking to figure out what kind of a group we are. And deciding "Nope" to our meetings because of what's being posted in this email list.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Didn't we have a separate list for Extended Topics? </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">-- Bob Primak </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 05:04:40 PM EDT, john rudy <jjrudy1@comcast.net> wrote:
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--></style><div><div class="yiv8440958263WordSection1"><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Of course expert opinion evolves over time, and that is what people who do not understand science seem to have difficulty understanding. Also, headlines rarely explain why the “current” statement was made. Cleaning food when getting home from the supermarket in the early COVID days seemed reasonable. Once more data was available the opinion changed (or better yet, evolved). Newton didn’t become wrong because of relativity</span></p><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">John Rudy</span></p><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">781-861-0402</span></p><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">781-718-8334 (cell)</span></p><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:John.rudy@alum.mit.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:John.rudy@alum.mit.edu"><span style="color:#0563C1;">John.rudy@alum.mit.edu</span></a> </span></p><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">13 Hawthorne Lane</span></p><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Bedford, MA 01730-1047</span></p><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><img id="yiv8440958263Picture_x0020_1" border="0" width="99" height="94" style="width:1.0312in;min-height:.9791in;" src="cid:KbqVnbbxwQp0YmpDGAIb" yahoo_partid="1.2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><div id="yiv8440958263yqt78794" class="yiv8440958263yqt2786083440"><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+jjrudy1=comcast.net@lists.toku.us> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ted Kochanski<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 20, 2022 4:11 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Jon Dreyer <jon@jondreyer.org><br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> lctg@lists.toku.us<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Concern over MRNA Covid Vaccine and Cardiac Side Effects</p></div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal">Jon,</p><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal">I find the statement "<span style="font-family:New serif;">On topics on which I'm not an expert (and that's most all of them) I defer to the consensus of the experts, not the outliers" -- the essence of our generic problem -- the consensus in matters of some complexity is frequently proven to have been wrong in the long run.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:New serif;">For example when my father-in-law was active as the Medical Officer of Bossier Parish in northwest Louisiana [circa 1970's] the consensus of the experts was don't let a diabetic eat ice cream but having a boiled skinless potato or white rice was fine</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:New serif;">The reality -- noted by outliers such as my father-in-law -- icecream being a complex sugar suspension [mostly: </span><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#5F6368;">Lactose, </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#4D5156;">a disaccharide sugar,</span><span style="font-family:New serif;"> with other stuff] is slow to get into the </span>bloodstream<span style="font-family:New serif;"> -- meanwhile the simple starches in potato [not the skin] or white rice are converted to glucose by the saliva and essentially in the </span>bloodstream<span style="font-family:New serif;"> nearly instantly</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:New serif;">Galileo would be another of those outliers</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:New serif;">Anyway -- today the CDC advisory panel [</span>Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)]<span style="font-family:New serif;"> voted 15-0 to include the new instantiation of the MRNA COVID-19 vaccine as a recommended childhood vaccine along with the traditional and tested standards of whooping cough, etc.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:New serif;">Note there is no [as in NONE] human data yet available [even for review by the ACIP] from the vaccine providers only a handful of mice have been used as "guinea pigs"</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:New serif;">Well -- under the circumstances -- I'm skeptical of the efficacy versus safety for the youngest of our population</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:New serif;">Ted</span></p></div></div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 4:28 PM Jon Dreyer <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jon@jondreyer.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:jon@jondreyer.org">jon@jondreyer.org</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;"><div><p><span style="font-family:New serif;">My spider sense started tingling wildly when I saw that. It didn't take me long to find this: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/i-know-you-are-but-what-am-i-dr-asseem-malhotra-rails-against-covid-19-misinformation/">https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/i-know-you-are-but-what-am-i-dr-asseem-malhotra-rails-against-covid-19-misinformation/</a></span></p><p><span style="font-family:New serif;">If you look hard enough, you can find something that confirms any bias. On topics on which I'm not an expert (and that's most all of them) I defer to the consensus of the experts, not the outliers.</span></p><div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal">-- </p><p><span style="font-family:serif;">Jon "Misinformation Misinformation" Dreyer<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.passionatelycurious.com">Math Tutor/Compuer Science Tutor</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://music.jondreyer.com">Jon Dreyer Music</a> </span></p></div></div><p class="yiv8440958263MsoNormal">===============================================<br clear="none">::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br clear="none">Reply goes to sender only; Reply All to send to list.<br clear="none">Send to the list: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a> Message archives: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/">http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/</a><br clear="none">To subscribe: email <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us">lctg-subscribe@toku.us</a> To unsubscribe: email <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us">lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us</a><br clear="none">Future and Past meeting information: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://LCTG.toku.us">http://LCTG.toku.us</a><br clear="none">List information: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us">http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us</a><br clear="none">This message was sent to <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>.<br clear="none">Set your list options: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/tedpkphd@gmail.com">http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/tedpkphd@gmail.com</a></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yqt2786083440" id="yqt59093">===============================================<br clear="none">::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br clear="none">Reply goes to sender only; Reply All to send to list.<br clear="none">Send to the list: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a> Message archives: <a shape="rect" href="http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/</a><br clear="none">To subscribe: email <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us" href="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us">lctg-subscribe@toku.us</a> To unsubscribe: email <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us" href="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us">lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us</a><br clear="none">Future and Past meeting information: <a shape="rect" href="http://LCTG.toku.us" target="_blank">http://LCTG.toku.us</a><br clear="none">List information: <a shape="rect" href="http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us</a><br clear="none">This message was sent to <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com." href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com.">bobprimak@yahoo.com.</a><br clear="none">Set your list options: <a shape="rect" href="http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/bobprimak@yahoo.com" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/bobprimak@yahoo.com</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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