<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">There is value in discussing opinions and findings on COVID vaccines; however as the messages are getting longer and I feel the discussion may continue for a while, I'm asking that any additional discussion and commentary on COVID vaccines be moved to the Extended Topics list. This list was specifically created for longer messages and extended discussions of this sort.<br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">The email address for that is: <b><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:monospace"><a href="mailto:lctg-extended@toku.us">lctg-extended@toku.us</a></span></span></b> and I have copied this message to that list. Please do not copy the main list on this discussion or other COVID vaccine discussions. Thank you for your cooperation.<br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">The Extended list is open to everyone. To subscribe and contribute or monitor the list, send an email to <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:monospace"><b><a href="mailto:lctg-extended-subscribe@toku.us">lctg-extended-subscribe@toku.us</a></b> </span></span><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">If you have any questions or concerns about my decision, please email me directly. (Or you can bring up and discuss this decision on the Extended Topics list.)</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Thank you.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">-steve</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><i><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Manager of the LCTG email lists</font></span></i></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div></div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 3:45 PM Robert Primak <<a href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br></font></span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">We do have an Extended Topics section of our mailing list if people want to engage in this type of lengthy discussion.</font></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Just a suggestion. </font></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">-- Bob Primak</font></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div>
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<div><div id="m_5742286446186661139yiv4669746801"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">So strange that we have such a smart group of scientists and engineers that are amazingly interested in fusion, galaxies, history, but could care less about the danger of this spike poison, even for themselves and their families. While you hide from this, other real scientists are studying the mechanisms of this poison. Here is a link to the full list with just a few of the titles below it. Any interest now? The full list might exceed google's email limit, so click on the link below:</font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://palexander.substack.com/p/so-you-say-dr-alexander-you-keep" target="_blank">https://palexander.substack.com/p/so-you-say-dr-alexander-you-keep</a></font></span></div><div>
<p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><b>Where is the evidence?</b><span> </span></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Cerebral venous thrombosis after COVID-19 vaccination in the UK: a multicentre cohort study: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01608-1/" target="_blank">https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01608-1/</a></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Fatal cerebral hemorrhage after COVID-19 vaccine: </font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33928772/" target="_blank">https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33928772/</a></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Myocarditis after mRNA vaccination against SARS-CoV-2, a case series: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666602221000409" target="_blank">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666602221000409</a></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Three cases of acute venous thromboembolism in women after vaccination against COVID-19: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213333X21003929" target="_blank">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213333X21003929</a></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Acute thrombosis of the coronary tree after vaccination against COVID-19: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1936879821003988" target="_blank">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1936879821003988</a></font></span></p>
</div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Marvin - it's 15% not times. However, 15% has not been seen before and it's a lot of death. Contact me personally if you want answers to the other questions and examples.<br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div></div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 9:57 PM Marvin Menzin <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:mmenzin@icloud.com" target="_blank">mmenzin@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></span></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"></font></span><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Shelly, </font></span><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">i am not going to spend hours on videos and articles listed below. </font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">i just want to ask your opinion on this : </font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">1- Do you believe that the billions of vaccinations and boosters for covid from pfizer and moderna did not prevent millions of deaths and severe hospitalizations of the elderly as claimed by the published peer reviewed studies from the USA , germany, the UK and Israel ? </font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">2- Do you believe that a conspiracy of people in the CDC , FDA and big pharma </font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">have suppressed large numbers of reports of deaths and severe illnesses from these vaccines ? </font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">3- do you believe that excess deaths of people in major countries that took full vaccinations are 15 times higher than in countries that didnt take many vaccines,? </font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">If the answers are YES to all , then you would not take these vaccines even if you were 90 years old and covid was rampant and killing thousands all around you .</font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">If you believe the answers are yes then all the scientists and doctors and reporters from all the world media are also in on the conspiracy or are incompetent and unable to expose this huge conspiracy. </font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Franky my own opinion with no scientific evidence except Occams razor </font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">is NO to all these questions.. so at 88 I thankfully took all the vaccines and boosters that were offered . </font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">marvin </font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Sent from my iPad</font></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span><blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">On Oct 20, 2022, at 5:44 PM, Shelly Lowenthal <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:shelly.lowenthal@gmail.com" target="_blank">shelly.lowenthal@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></font></span></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"></font></span><div dir="ltr">
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Here's my rant -
I've been following this for the last 10 months.</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Watch this movie
(free for one more week) then look at all the damage. I always watch at 1.5
speed. One hour.<br clear="none"></font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://www.therealanthonyfaucimovie.com/trailer/" target="_blank">https://www.therealanthonyfaucimovie.com/trailer/</a></font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Open Vaers
Mortality. Conservative 5x underreporting, researched 44x underreporting</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality" target="_blank">https://openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality</a></font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">General Covid data</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://openvaers.com/covid-data" target="_blank">https://openvaers.com/covid-data</a></font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">All-cause mortality
15% higher than normal in the most highly vaccinated European countries, 4%
higher in the least vaccinated countries. EU MPs showed a map of Europe with
excess higher last week after Pfizer admitted not testing for transmission.
There are lots of links - here's one.</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://palexander.substack.com/p/europe-surveillance-euromomo-bulletin?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web" target="_blank">https://palexander.substack.com/p/europe-surveillance-euromomo-bulletin?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web</a></font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">8-fold increase in
sudden deaths of fully vaccinated Canadian doctors under 30 (80 in a year)</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Many sudden deaths
of young athletes reported with videos of collapse (shown in Fauci movie) -
Myocarditis will damage you for life! Denmark says too risky for anyone under
50.</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">For the first time
morticians can't embalm due to the long. There are lots of reports.</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/unusually-large-blood-clots-found-in-bodies-of-the-deceased-since-covid-jab-rollout/" target="_blank">https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/unusually-large-blood-clots-found-in-bodies-of-the-deceased-since-covid-jab-rollout/</a></font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Search for the fraud
in Pfizer's Covid testing - why did they want to hide this for 75 years.
Pregnant women miscarried. Many injured including kids that were misreported by
Pfizer.</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Think of the lies by
FDA, CDC, Pfizer</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Safe and effective
(NOT!!)</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Stays in your arm
(now found in dead patient brains) ( also in heart, blood clots, testicles,
liver, ovaries, and many other places)</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">You won't catch
Covid</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">You won't spread
Covid (Turns out Pfizer never tested this)</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">You won't go to the
hospital if you catch Covid</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">You won't die if you
end up in the hospital</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">All these are were
LIES . Hospitals don't report Covid status on death -> CDC marks them as
unvaccinated.</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">I did get 3 shots
and regret taking the last. Tried whatever I could do (Autophagy) to get rid of
the poisonous spike. My 15YO granddaughter had a heart event days after her
booster and is now wearing a Halter monitor.</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Yes - most survived
the shot. You guys all survived - good genetics at play. Too many others got
damaged from the shot. </font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Ask yourselves - why
is this the only disease that was denied early treatment? Because FDA, CDC,
NIH, medical journals, TV, Newspapers are captured by the big pharmacy
companies. Would you complain about pharma if your job depended on it - no
since 65% of FDA employees are paid due to pharma funds. Yes, NIH and CDC staff
get royalties from pharma. </font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">My wife and I caught
Covid and we followed this protocol, including that dreaded Noble prize winning
horse de-wormer prescribed millions of times (now generic). Back to normal in 2
days with some cough for a week. These protocols were developed by doctors that
successfully treated thousands of patients unlike anyone at the FDA.</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatment-protocols/i-care/" target="_blank">https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatment-protocols/i-care/</a></font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">I'm happy to share
more information or details of above. There is so much bad stuff</font></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Shelly Lowenthal</font></span></p>
</div><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br clear="none"></font></span><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 5:05 PM john rudy <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></span></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div lang="EN-US"><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span>Of course expert opinion evolves over time, and that is what people who do not understand science seem to have difficulty understanding. Also, headlines rarely explain why the “current” statement was made. Cleaning food when getting home from the supermarket in the early COVID days seemed reasonable. Once more data was available the opinion changed (or better yet, evolved). Newton didn’t become wrong because of relativity</span></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span> </span></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span>John Rudy</span></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span>781-861-0402</span></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span>781-718-8334 (cell)</span></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:John.rudy@alum.mit.edu" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">John.rudy@alum.mit.edu</span></a> </span></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span> </span></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span>13 Hawthorne Lane</span></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span>Bedford, MA 01730-1047</span></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><img id="m_5742286446186661139yiv4669746801m_140850055328468463m_218697017230455828Picture_x0020_1" style="width: 1.0312in; min-height: 0.9791in;" alt="image001.png" src="cid:183fc1c758b4cff311" width="99" height="94" border="0"><span></span></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><span> </span></font></span></p><div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+jjrudy1=<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:comcast.net@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">comcast.net@lists.toku.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ted Kochanski<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 20, 2022 4:11 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Jon Dreyer <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:jon@jondreyer.org" target="_blank">jon@jondreyer.org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Concern over MRNA Covid Vaccine and Cardiac Side Effects</font></span></p></div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Jon,</font></span></p><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">I find the statement "On topics on which I'm not an expert (and that's most all of them) I defer to the consensus of the experts, not the outliers" -- the essence of our generic problem -- the consensus in matters of some complexity is frequently proven to have been wrong in the long run.</font></span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">For example when my father-in-law was active as the Medical Officer of Bossier Parish in northwest Louisiana [circa 1970's] the consensus of the experts was don't let a diabetic eat ice cream but having a boiled skinless potato or white rice was fine</font></span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">The reality -- noted by outliers such as my father-in-law -- icecream being a complex sugar suspension [mostly: <b><span style="color:rgb(95,99,104)">Lactose, </span></b><span style="color:rgb(77,81,86)">a disaccharide sugar,</span> with other stuff] is slow to get into the bloodstream -- meanwhile the simple starches in potato [not the skin] or white rice are converted to glucose by the saliva and essentially in the bloodstream nearly instantly</font></span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Galileo would be another of those outliers</font></span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Anyway -- today the CDC advisory panel [Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)] voted 15-0 to include the new instantiation of the MRNA COVID-19 vaccine as a recommended childhood vaccine along with the traditional and tested standards of whooping cough, etc.</font></span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Note there is no [as in NONE] human data yet available [even for review by the ACIP] from the vaccine providers only a handful of mice have been used as "guinea pigs"</font></span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Well -- under the circumstances -- I'm skeptical of the efficacy versus safety for the youngest of our population</font></span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">Ted</font></span></p></div></div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font></span></p><div><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 4:28 PM Jon Dreyer <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:jon@jondreyer.org" target="_blank">jon@jondreyer.org</a>> wrote:</font></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">My spider sense started tingling wildly when I saw that. It didn't take me long to find this: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/i-know-you-are-but-what-am-i-dr-asseem-malhotra-rails-against-covid-19-misinformation/" target="_blank">https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/i-know-you-are-but-what-am-i-dr-asseem-malhotra-rails-against-covid-19-misinformation/</a></font></span></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif"><font size="4">If you look hard enough, you can find something that confirms any bias. 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