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Carl, <div><br></div><div>We could take your remark even further, Carl. The “shot” on Dec 5 was far from the “first controlled fusion experiment in history”: It was the first in which the energy of fusion exceeded the energy of the pulsed laser beams that initiated the fusion. (Preceding experiments failed.)<br><br>We language snobs should, however, be consoled by the fact that the general public probably understood what the LLNL/DOE people were <u>trying</u> to say.</div><div><br></div><div> – Mike Alexander<br><br><p class="yahoo-quoted-begin" style="font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 4:02 PM, carllazarus@comcast.net wrote:</p><blockquote class="iosymail"><div id="yiv5020927228"><style><!--
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--></style><div><div class="yiv5020927228WordSection1"><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal">I read that “<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;background:white;">The LLNL said a team at its National Ignition Facility (NIF) conducted the first controlled fusion experiment in history on December 5, achieving what is known as "scientific energy breakeven."</span>”</p><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal">What is counted in “scientific energy” and what does it omit?</p><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal"> </p><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal">-- Carl</p><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal"> </p><div id="yiv5020927228yqt71333" class="yiv5020927228yqt1974970196"><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+carllazarus=comcast.net@lists.toku.us> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ted Kochanski<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 12, 2022 7:32 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Drew King (dking65@kingconsulting.us) <dking65@kingconsulting.us><br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> Lex Computer Group <lctg@lists.toku.us><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Nuclear fusion...</p></div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal">All,</p><div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal">Be careful about Hype versus simple reality</p></div><div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal">Yes it does appear that LLNL National Ignition Facility may have hammered a poor defenseless target pellet into producing more fusion energy than was absorbed by the pellet</p></div><div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal">so technically Q>1 [about 1.2]</p></div><div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal">BUT -- and I'll admit a bias toward Magnetic Confinement Fusion -- the Energy used to produce the Energy delivered to the pellet was not part of the calculation</p></div><div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal">While Magnetic Fusion with Superconducting Magnets in a Tokamak configuration probably need Q>2 to be a credible Eureka Moment -- The energy needed to fire the lasers probably needs a Q>30</p></div><div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal">Ted</p></div><div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal">On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 5:30 PM Drew King (<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us">dking65@kingconsulting.us</a>) <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us">dking65@kingconsulting.us</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;"><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class="yiv5020927228MsoNormal">All,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The Verge: A “scientific breakthrough” in nuclear fusion? 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