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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>This is a late response. Thanks to Ted for sending the link to this conversation with Lindzen and Emmanuel.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Here are some reactions I had.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>First, Kerry Emmanuel is not neutral on man-made climate change, but he is fairly middle of the road. (I have heard other talks he has given, not just this one.) He doesn’t say the sky is falling. He says we might be able to adapt, but that there is enough of a possibility that we won’t be able to adapt, that we can’t be idle.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Lindzen is way at an extreme, saying there is not much changing, human action has very little to do with any change, and let’s just not worry about the climate.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Lindzen spoke in detail about wind currents and what happens at different latitudes. I’m sure he knows more about this than I do, but I think it is largely irrelevant.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The basic physics is that carbon dioxide (and methane and nitrous oxide) don’t absorb much energy in the peak wavelengths of the incoming solar radiation, but do absorb well in the wavelengths at which the earth radiates. It is beyond question that the carbon dioxide level in our atmosphere has risen greatly since direct measurements have been made, and generally continues to rise. Measurements of ice cores indicate that the current CO2 concentration has not been seen in at least a million years, probably much longer than a million years. We also see that before the industrial period began, CO2 did vary but not into nearly the range of the last hundred years.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Therefore, the earth must heat up. How this heat is distributed around the globe and between land and sea is complicated and subject to argument. Lindzen ignores the big picture.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-- Carl<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+carllazarus=comcast.net@lists.toku.us> <b>On Behalf Of </b>JOHN M BROWN<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 2, 2023 9:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ted Kochanski <tedpkphd@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Lexington Computer & Technology Group (LCTG) <LCTG@lists.toku.us><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] winchester part 2<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Ted,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The Wilson Science Forum did host Richard Lindzen as featured speaker on two Fridays in 2022.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You can find the presentations, the first in April and the second, a conversation between Lindzen and Emanuel, in November, linked in this archived -<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b> <a href="https://jenksst.blogspot.com/?m=1">https://jenksst.blogspot.com/?m=1</a></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> John Brown <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jan 2, 2023, at 5:07 PM, Ted Kochanski <<a href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nothing at all wrong with someone like Emanuel talking -- but he is clearly biased away from a neutral position<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>You would need to balance him with a Bjon Lonborg or perhaps a Richard Lindzen</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The real problem is that most of these people are trying to compare models to models -- few of them actually can define the relevant metrics in measured data<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'd like some of the climate pontificators to apply their models to the Tonga Experimental injection of massive amounts of H20 into the upper atmosphere which we can track in real-time<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ted<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>PS: -- give me a simple definition of the temperature of the planet and how to observe it over an extended period of time so that we can compare it to external factors [e.g. solar input] as well as internal factors [e.g. volcanism], etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 11:33 AM john rudy <<a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>We had Kerry Emanuel a few years ago discussing climate change</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>John Rudy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>781-861-0402</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>781-718-8334 (cell)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:John.rudy@alum.mit.edu" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>John.rudy@alum.mit.edu</span></a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>13 Hawthorne Lane</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bedford, MA 01730-1047</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><image001.png><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Ronald Latanision <<a href="mailto:rlatanision@exponent.com" target="_blank">rlatanision@exponent.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 22, 2022 8:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> john rudy <<a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Vincent Dixon <<a href="mailto:vincedixon99@yahoo.com" target="_blank">vincedixon99@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> A Thought...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>John,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I host the Wilson Science and Technology Forum in Winchester. We exchanged messages earlier this year on a presentation by Kerry Emanuel on climate issues. I sense that we may have many interests in common with LCTG. To that point, one of our members, Vincent Dixon, recently videotaped a Christmas Forum Program for our group in which he narrated a conversation about the technology and national security origins of some well-know Christmas songs. He then sang these songs! While Vincent is a known historian, and writer it appears now that he is in addition a singer! I found the experience interesting for a technology-oriented group. It adds a new dimension to our programming.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>At any rate, the link to this program is as follows: <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLsahTrO6h0__;!!HGYKHdhaPg!Qj9iwZ19kaPRteZHiwcc1nEgYTqXz1YXX6duoqgBBDmN72Enljy3Yqr_c_Zuvuf61h4J9V8vAs6yGA-Pzw$" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLsahTrO6h0</a><span style='color:#1F497D'> . </span>If you think that this video may be of interest to LCTG, please feel free to show it to your crew. Let me know. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Meanwhile, Happy Holidays!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ron <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>===============================================<br>::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br>Reply goes to sender only; Reply All to send to list.<br>Send to the list: <a href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a> Message archives: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/</a><br>To subscribe: email <a href="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us" target="_blank">lctg-subscribe@toku.us</a> To unsubscribe: email <a href="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us" target="_blank">lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us</a><br>Future and Past meeting information: <a href="http://lctg.toku.us/" target="_blank">http://LCTG.toku.us</a><br>List information: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us</a><br>This message was sent to <a href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>.<br>Set your list options: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/tedpkphd@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal>===============================================<br>::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br>Reply goes to sender only; Reply All to send to list.<br>Send to the list: <a href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a> Message archives: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/">http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/</a><br>To subscribe: <a href="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us">email lctg-subscribe@toku.us</a> To unsubscribe: <a href="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us">email lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us</a><br>Future and Past meeting information: <a href="http://LCTG.toku.us">http://LCTG.toku.us</a><br>List information: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us">http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us</a><br>This message was sent to <a href="mailto:mit69@icloud.com">mit69@icloud.com</a>.<br>Set your list options: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/mit69@icloud.com">http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/mit69@icloud.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>