<div dir="ltr">All,<div><br></div><div>Lockheed Martin -- might be a synonym for Acme Laser</div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(98,99,101);font-family:"Source Sans Pro",sans-serif;font-size:16px">Self-Protect High Energy Laser Demonstrator </span><br></div><div><a href="https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/news/features/2020/tactical-airborne-laser-pods-are-coming.html">https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/news/features/2020/tactical-airborne-laser-pods-are-coming.html</a><span style="color:rgb(98,99,101);font-family:"Source Sans Pro",sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_le4rba0x2" alt="image.png" width="472" height="165"><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Ted</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 4:07 PM Ted Kochanski <<a href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">All, <div><br></div><div>The good folks at the Missile Defense Agency will have to stand in for Acme-Laser</div><div>from a relatively recent article </div><div>Return Of The ABL? Missile Defense Agency Works On Laser Drone</div>By SYDNEY J. FREEDBERG JR.<br>on August 17, 2015 at 4:00 AM<br><div><a href="https://breakingdefense.com/2015/08/return-of-the-abl-missile-defense-agency-works-on-laser-drone/" target="_blank">https://breakingdefense.com/2015/08/return-of-the-abl-missile-defense-agency-works-on-laser-drone/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>HUNTSVILLE, ALA.: Three years after the Missile Defense Agency mothballed its massive Airborne Laser, MDA is planning to reboot the concept for a new era.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The old ABL was Boeing 747 with a human crew and tanks of toxic chemicals to generate power. The new idea a high-altitude, long-endurance drone armed with a more compact electrically powered laser... <br>“The problem with boost phase is…you’ve got to get close enough,” Frank Kendall, the Pentagon’s procurement chief, told reporters at the Space & Missile Defense conference here...” But if you’re close enough to shoot at a rocket right after it launches from enemy territory, you’re probably close enough for the enemy to shoot you...The Missile Defense Agency will take an “incremental, step-wise, knowledge-based” approach this time, pledged the MDA director, Vice Adm. James Syring, in remarks to the Huntsville conference. “It is a very different approach than we did in the past of just leaping to something and investing everything we had.”... MDA will conduct experiments and review alternatives until 2018-2019, when Syring said it will pick “which technologies we think have the most promise.” Then a “low-power laser demonstrator” will fly circa 2021. When the full-power system will enter service is an open question, not answered in Syring’s brief... In a successful 2010 test, ABL shot down a ballistic missile “tens of kilometers” away, Syring said, using about a megawatt of power. For the illustrative concept of operations the MDA director briefed at the conference — which he emphasized was not the only option — “we need to be hundreds of kilometers [from the target] in a platform that can go much higher and stay up for much longer.”...The manned Airborne Laser maxed out at an altitude of about 40,000 feet, where clouds and turbulence made it harder to keep the beam on the target. “65,000 feet is where we think we need to be,” said Syring, where the air is so thin that a laser beam can reach much farther...What matters is not just maximum power, but how much weight it takes to generate (power density), especially when you’re trying to fit the laser on an aircraft. The Airborne Laser took 55 kilograms (about 120 pounds) to generate a kilowatt of laser power, Syring said, which is why a megawatt (1,000 kW) took a 747. Electric lasers currently in the lab take 35-40 kilograms per kilowatt, and the MDA research program plans to drive that down by a factor of ten, to 3-5 kg/kW. MDA’s ultimate goal is 2 kg/kW, which would make a one-megawatt weight 5,000 pounds, something a drone could carry... “If it had been easy we would done it by now,” Syring said. But given the rapid progress in laser technology, he went on, “it’s not a huge reach.”... Unlike a manned aircraft whose crew must land and rest, a drone can stay aloft for 24 hours or more. Unlike a chemically powered laser, or conventional missiles and guns for that matter, an electric laser can keep firing as long as the aircraft’s generators are running. A mid-air refueling both keeps the drone flying and “reloads” its ability to generate power for the laser. The combination of unmanned endurance and unlimited shots means a single drone could stay on station for days, instead of needing multiple manned aircraft to come and go in rotation...What’s more, an electrical laser can dial its power up and down for different targets at different ranges... </blockquote></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">“Thinking of this as a ballistic missile killer may be too narrow,” Gunzinger [ laser expert and advocate at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments ] said. If MDA can actually solve the boost-phase intercept problem, hard as that is, it will have built a laser-armed aircraft that’s lethally adaptable to other missions as well.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>So perhaps there is something in the works at MDA which will eventually be able to shoot down balloons at 20 to 30 km</div><div><br></div><div>Ted</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 2:28 PM Drew King <<a href="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" target="_blank">dking65@kingconsulting.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="4">I'm thinking the government has no contacts at
Acme laser cannon Corp. Where oh where is Wile E. Coyote?</font></p>
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<div>On 2/14/2023 2:19 PM, Steve Isenberg
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Mike,</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I'm thinking that
the balloon could have been punctured (by laser or cannon),
this could have been done around when it was first
discovered. They could have analyzed the drifting and
punctured the balloon when its descent would have had the
least likelihood of causing damage when it met the ground.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148)">So this would be
long before it passed over to the Atlantic; and in fact
helicopters could have monitored its descent and pinpointed it
once it hit ground.<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148)">-steve<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:35
PM Michael Alexander <<a href="mailto:mna.ma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mna.ma@yahoo.com</a>>
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Steve,
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<div>What you may be missing (although its importance may be
debatable) is that if somehow one ‘pricked’ the balloon,
it would continue to drift ‘horizontally’ for some
distance. It would land farther from shore, in deeper
water, and be harder to retrieve.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> — Mike Alexander<br>
<br>
<br>
<p style="font-size:15px;color:rgb(113,95,250);padding-top:15px;margin-top:0px">On
Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 1:00 PM, Ted Kochanski <<a href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Balloon seems to be white -- so
probably not that easy to "poke a hole" with a
laser -- you need to get a fair amount of power
onto the balloon MW/sq m and hold it there for
enough time to evaporate the plastic
<div>We have some R&D tech that could do that
at the right kind of range -- but it might not
be in the right place to be used because of the
curvature of the earth</div>
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<div>Cannon fire from a fighter would seem to be
the best approach</div>
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Subject: Re: [Lex Computer & Tech
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<div style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148)">So
they shot down the balloon with a missile,
it totally deflated, and fell into the
water where they have to search to find
it, and the impact with the water may have
damaged things.<br clear="none">
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<div style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br clear="none">
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<div style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Did
anyone consider: Poke a hole in the
balloon (using a laser perhaps) that would
cause it to descend rather than fall
rapidly to the ground.</div>
<div style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br clear="none">
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<div style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148)">(Or
am I missing something?)</div>
<div style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148)">-steve<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:46
AM Robert Primak <<a rel="nofollow
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<div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<div dir="ltr">Current terms: UAP =
Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. IAP
= Identified Aerial Phenomenon. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Current status of
balloons = deflated. (Formerly known
as "shot down".)</div>
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