<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Asked and answered<div><br></div><div>Thanks Stephen<br><br><div dir="ltr">Peter Albin</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 15, 2023, at 1:38 PM, Stephen Parus <sparus@umich.edu> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="display: block;" class=""><div style="-webkit-user-select: all; -webkit-user-drag: element; display: inline-block;" class="apple-rich-link" draggable="true" role="link" data-url="https://theweek.com/us-military/1021008/why-the-us-used-missiles-not-cheap-bullets-to-shoot-down-chinese-balloon-3"><a style="border-radius:10px;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;display:block;-webkit-user-select:none;width:300px;user-select:none;-webkit-user-modify:read-only;user-modify:read-only;overflow:hidden;text-decoration:none;" class="lp-rich-link" rel="nofollow" href="https://theweek.com/us-military/1021008/why-the-us-used-missiles-not-cheap-bullets-to-shoot-down-chinese-balloon-3" dir="ltr" role="button" draggable="false" width="300"><table style="table-layout:fixed;border-collapse:collapse;width:300px;background-color:#E9E9EB;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class="lp-rich-link-emailBaseTable" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="300"><tbody><tr><td vertical-align="center" align="center"><div><GettyImages-53380294.jpg></div></td></tr><tr><td vertical-align="center"><table bgcolor="#E9E9EB" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="300" style="font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;table-layout:fixed;background-color:rgba(233, 233, 235, 1);" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:8px 0px 8px 0px;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStackItem"><div style="max-width:100%;margin:0px 16px 0px 16px;overflow:hidden;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-weight:500;font-size:12px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack-topCaption-leading"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://theweek.com/us-military/1021008/why-the-us-used-missiles-not-cheap-bullets-to-shoot-down-chinese-balloon-3" style="text-decoration: none" draggable="false"><font color="#000000" style="color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);">Why the U.S. used missiles, not cheap bullets, to shoot down Chinese balloon, 3 unidentified objects</font></a></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-weight:400;font-size:11px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack-bottomCaption-leading"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://theweek.com/us-military/1021008/why-the-us-used-missiles-not-cheap-bullets-to-shoot-down-chinese-balloon-3" style="text-decoration: none" draggable="false"><font color="#A2A2A9" style="color: rgba(60, 60, 67, 0.6);">theweek.com</font></a></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div></div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Steve</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 15, 2023, at 9:59 AM, Ted Kochanski <tedpkphd@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">All,<div><br></div><div>Its more complicated -- in a vacuum yes the spreading is easily predictable</div><div><br></div><div>However in a gas with enough power the laser beam can essentially make a "virtual fiber optic" by the heating of the air in the core changing the index of refraction of the beam</div><div>If the power density is really high the air will "breakdown" and the core of the path will be ionized gas changing everything you heard about in grade school physics</div><div><br></div><div>Ted</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 8:53 AM Wayne Sharfin <<a href="mailto:wsharfin@gmail.com">wsharfin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yes, all beams will spread from diffraction. If the beam is extremely powerful then it may not need to focused as much. The farfield diffraction half-angle is ~ wavelength/(diameter of beam waist). For a Gaussian laser beam the "diameter" is taken to be pi x beam radius where the beam radius is measured when the intensity has dropped to 1/e2 of the maximum.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 8:30 AM <<a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">A beam of light, even a coherent one, spreads with distance. The balloon was 60000 feet in the air and not likely directly over the shooter. Assume that it would not work. This is a defensive machine to protect an airbase, say<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Steve Isenberg <<a href="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">smisenberg@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Michael Alexander <<a href="mailto:mna.ma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mna.ma@yahoo.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:carllazarus@comcast.net" target="_blank">carllazarus@comcast.net</a>; Ted Kochanski <<a href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>>; Drew King <<a href="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" target="_blank">dking65@kingconsulting.us</a>>; Lex Computer Group <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] ufo<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">So it could be that it might have been effective but they decided not to use it to keep its capability secret, right?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 10:14 PM <<a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Classified power and distance</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Michael Alexander <<a href="mailto:mna.ma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mna.ma@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a>; <a href="mailto:carllazarus@comcast.net" target="_blank">carllazarus@comcast.net</a>; 'Ted Kochanski' <<a href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>>; 'Drew King' <<a href="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" target="_blank">dking65@kingconsulting.us</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Steve Isenberg' <<a href="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">smisenberg@gmail.com</a>>; 'Lex Computer Group' <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] ufo<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">• I’m not surprised that the laser system could shoot down drones. However, the article omitted info about the laser-drone distances at which the system was effective*.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">• Shooting down mortar shells: The article omits details about the test. Did the system know, ahead of time, where the mortar shell came from (in the real world, it wouldn’t)? How wide an area can the system protect?*<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> – Mike Alexander<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">* I wouldn’t be surprised if the answers were classified, and reasonably so.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p style="margin-top:0in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:rgb(113,95,250)">On Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 5:32 PM, <a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div id="m_-8555673254445849208m_2966516147845093337m_6005713218807074518yiv7087961577"><div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Raytheon is building a product (might already be in production) to take down drones and blind some incoming stuff. <a href="https://www.designdevelopmenttoday.com/industries/military/news/22236190/raytheon-shoots-down-drones-mortars-with-highenergy-laser#:~:text=The%20DE%20M%2DSHORAD%20effort,soldiers%20against%20various%20aerial%20threats.&text=Raytheon%20Intelligence%20%26%20Space's%20high%2Denergy,military%20missions%20and%20civil%20defense" target="_blank">https://www.designdevelopmenttoday.com/industries/military/news/22236190/raytheon-shoots-down-drones-mortars-with-highenergy-laser#:~:text=The%20DE%20M%2DSHORAD%20effort,soldiers%20against%20various%20aerial%20threats.&text=Raytheon%20Intelligence%20%26%20Space's%20high%2Denergy,military%20missions%20and%20civil%20defense</a>.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">It is ground-based and of course the beam spreads over distance</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">John</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div id="m_-8555673254445849208m_2966516147845093337m_6005713218807074518yiv7087961577yqt79208"><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor"><p><b>From:</b> LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg-bounces+jjrudy1=comcast.net@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg-bounces+jjrudy1=comcast.net@lists.toku.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:carllazarus@comcast.net" target="_blank">carllazarus@comcast.net</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 14, 2023 5:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ted Kochanski' <<a href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>>; 'Drew King' <<a href="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" target="_blank">dking65@kingconsulting.us</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Steve Isenberg' <<a href="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">smisenberg@gmail.com</a>>; 'Lex Computer Group' <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] ufo<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p> <u></u><u></u></p><p>Thanks, Ted. The big fusion announcement by DOE of generating 3 megajoules from input of 2 megajoules delivered to the target was underwhelming because they used 300 megajoules to power the laser. If they can achieve the needed factor of 150 improvement in the laser then the airborne laser should be a cinch. <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span> <u></u><u></u></p><p> <u></u><u></u></p><p>-- Carl<u></u><u></u></p><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor"><p><b>From:</b> LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg-bounces+carllazarus=comcast.net@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg-bounces+carllazarus=comcast.net@lists.toku.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ted Kochanski<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 14, 2023 4:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> Drew King <<a href="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" target="_blank">dking65@kingconsulting.us</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Steve Isenberg <<a href="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">smisenberg@gmail.com</a>>; Lex Computer Group <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] ufo<u></u><u></u></p></div><p> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p>All, <u></u><u></u></p><div><p> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>The good folks at the Missile Defense Agency will have to stand in for Acme-Laser<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>from a relatively recent article <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Return Of The ABL? Missile Defense Agency Works On Laser Drone<u></u><u></u></p></div><p>By SYDNEY J. FREEDBERG JR.<br>on August 17, 2015 at 4:00 AM<u></u><u></u></p><div><p><a href="https://breakingdefense.com/2015/08/return-of-the-abl-missile-defense-agency-works-on-laser-drone/" target="_blank">https://breakingdefense.com/2015/08/return-of-the-abl-missile-defense-agency-works-on-laser-drone/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12pt">HUNTSVILLE, ALA.: Three years after the Missile Defense Agency mothballed its massive Airborne Laser, MDA is planning to reboot the concept for a new era.<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)"><p>The old ABL was Boeing 747 with a human crew and tanks of toxic chemicals to generate power. The new idea a high-altitude, long-endurance drone armed with a more compact electrically powered laser... <br>“The problem with boost phase is…you’ve got to get close enough,” Frank Kendall, the Pentagon’s procurement chief, told reporters at the Space & Missile Defense conference here...” But if you’re close enough to shoot at a rocket right after it launches from enemy territory, you’re probably close enough for the enemy to shoot you...The Missile Defense Agency will take an “incremental, step-wise, knowledge-based” approach this time, pledged the MDA director, Vice Adm. James Syring, in remarks to the Huntsville conference. “It is a very different approach than we did in the past of just leaping to something and investing everything we had.”... MDA will conduct experiments and review alternatives until 2018-2019, when Syring said it will pick “which technologies we think have the most promise.” Then a “low-power laser demonstrator” will fly circa 2021. When the full-power system will enter service is an open question, not answered in Syring’s brief... In a successful 2010 test, ABL shot down a ballistic missile “tens of kilometers” away, Syring said, using about a megawatt of power. For the illustrative concept of operations the MDA director briefed at the conference — which he emphasized was not the only option — “we need to be hundreds of kilometers [from the target] in a platform that can go much higher and stay up for much longer.”...The manned Airborne Laser maxed out at an altitude of about 40,000 feet, where clouds and turbulence made it harder to keep the beam on the target. “65,000 feet is where we think we need to be,” said Syring, where the air is so thin that a laser beam can reach much farther...What matters is not just maximum power, but how much weight it takes to generate (power density), especially when you’re trying to fit the laser on an aircraft. The Airborne Laser took 55 kilograms (about 120 pounds) to generate a kilowatt of laser power, Syring said, which is why a megawatt (1,000 kW) took a 747. Electric lasers currently in the lab take 35-40 kilograms per kilowatt, and the MDA research program plans to drive that down by a factor of ten, to 3-5 kg/kW. MDA’s ultimate goal is 2 kg/kW, which would make a one-megawatt weight 5,000 pounds, something a drone could carry... “If it had been easy we would done it by now,” Syring said. But given the rapid progress in laser technology, he went on, “it’s not a huge reach.”... Unlike a manned aircraft whose crew must land and rest, a drone can stay aloft for 24 hours or more. Unlike a chemically powered laser, or conventional missiles and guns for that matter, an electric laser can keep firing as long as the aircraft’s generators are running. A mid-air refueling both keeps the drone flying and “reloads” its ability to generate power for the laser. The combination of unmanned endurance and unlimited shots means a single drone could stay on station for days, instead of needing multiple manned aircraft to come and go in rotation...What’s more, an electrical laser can dial its power up and down for different targets at different ranges... <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><div><p> <u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)"><p>“Thinking of this as a ballistic missile killer may be too narrow,” Gunzinger [ laser expert and advocate at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments ] said. If MDA can actually solve the boost-phase intercept problem, hard as that is, it will have built a laser-armed aircraft that’s lethally adaptable to other missions as well.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><div><p> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>So perhaps there is something in the works at MDA which will eventually be able to shoot down balloons at 20 to 30 km<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Ted<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p>On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 2:28 PM Drew King <<a href="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us" target="_blank">dking65@kingconsulting.us</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)"><div><p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">I'm thinking the government has no contacts at Acme laser cannon Corp. Where oh where is Wile E. Coyote?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p>On 2/14/2023 2:19 PM, Steve Isenberg wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Mike,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I'm thinking that the balloon could have been punctured (by laser or cannon), this could have been done around when it was first discovered. They could have analyzed the drifting and punctured the balloon when its descent would have had the least likelihood of causing damage when it met the ground.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">So this would be long before it passed over to the Atlantic; and in fact helicopters could have monitored its descent and pinpointed it once it hit ground.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">-steve</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p>On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:35 PM Michael Alexander <<a href="mailto:mna.ma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mna.ma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)"><div><p>Steve, <u></u><u></u></p><div><p> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>What you may be missing (although its importance may be debatable) is that if somehow one ‘pricked’ the balloon, it would continue to drift ‘horizontally’ for some distance. It would land farther from shore, in deeper water, and be harder to retrieve.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12pt"> — Mike Alexander<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-top:0in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:rgb(113,95,250)">On Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 1:00 PM, Ted Kochanski <<a href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div id="m_-8555673254445849208m_2966516147845093337m_6005713218807074518yiv7087961577m_1491299563336339629m_3291963696211101833yiv0655223444"><div><div><p>Balloon seems to be white -- so probably not that easy to "poke a hole" with a laser -- you need to get a fair amount of power onto the balloon MW/sq m and hold it there for enough time to evaporate the plastic <u></u><u></u></p><div><p>We have some R&D tech that could do that at the right kind of range -- but it might not be in the right place to be used because of the curvature of the earth<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Cannon fire from a fighter would seem to be the best approach<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Ted<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p>---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Steve Isenberg</span></strong> <<a href="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">smisenberg@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:40 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] ufo<br>To: Robert Primak <<a href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" target="_blank">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>><br>Cc: Lex Computer Group <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>><u></u><u></u></p></div><p style="margin-bottom:12pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">So they shot down the balloon with a missile, it totally deflated, and fell into the water where they have to search to find it, and the impact with the water may have damaged things.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Did anyone consider: Poke a hole in the balloon (using a laser perhaps) that would cause it to descend rather than fall rapidly to the ground.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">(Or am I missing something?)</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">-steve</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p>On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:46 AM Robert Primak <<a href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" target="_blank">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div><div><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Current terms: UAP = Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. IAP = Identified Aerial Phenomenon. </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Current status of balloons = deflated. 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