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<div>John,<span id="yahoo-rte-cursor-span"></span></div><div><br></div><div>Chat’s attribution of the D. numbering list to Anton Diabelli, who had composed around Beethoven’s time (Beethoven composed Diabelli Variations), I went to Wikipedia for enlightenment. I found the following in Wikipedia’s long article on Schubert:</div><div><br></div><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">“Since relatively few of Schubert's works were published in his lifetime, only a small number of them have</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html/Opus_number" title="Opus number" style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 24.9375px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(107, 75, 161); background-position: 0px 0px;">opus numbers</a> <span style="font-family: -webkit-standard; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">assigned, and even in those cases, the sequence of the numbers does not give a good indication of the order of composition. Austrian</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html/Musicologist" title="Musicologist" class="mw-redirect" style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 24.9375px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(107, 75, 161); background-position: 0px 0px;">musicologist</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html/Otto_Erich_Deutsch" title="Otto Erich Deutsch" style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 24.9375px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(107, 75, 161); background-position: 0px 0px;">Otto Erich Deutsch</a><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">(1883–1967) is known for compiling the first comprehensive catalogue of Schubert's works. This was first published in English in 1951 (</span><span style="font-family: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-style: italic; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 24.9375px; vertical-align: baseline; background-position: 0px 0px;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html/Schubert_Thematic_Catalogue" title="Schubert Thematic Catalogue" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(107, 75, 161); background-position: 0px 0px;">Schubert Thematic Catalogue</a></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">) and subsequently revised for a new edition in German in 1978 (</span><span style="font-family: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-style: italic; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 24.9375px; vertical-align: baseline; background-position: 0px 0px;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html/Franz_Schubert:_Thematisches_Verzeichnis_seiner_Werke_in_chronologischer_Folge" title="Franz Schubert: Thematisches Verzeichnis seiner Werke in chronologischer Folge" class="mw-redirect" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(107, 75, 161); background-position: 0px 0px;">Franz Schubert: Thematisches Verzeichnis seiner Werke in chronologischer Folge</a></span> <span style="font-family: -webkit-standard; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">– Franz Schubert: Thematic Catalogue of his Works in Chronological Order).”</span><sup class="mw-ref reference default-touch-area" id="cite_ref-122" style="font-family: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; margin: -4px -16px -16px; border: 0px; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: 1; font-size: 0.75em; unicode-bidi: isolate; padding: 4px 16px 16px !important; background-position: 0px 0px;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html/Franz_Schubert#cite_note-122" class="reference-link" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 18.703125px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(107, 75, 161); display: inherit; counter-reset: mw-Ref 121; background-position: 0px 0px;"></a><section data-mw-section-id="15" style="margin-bottom: 1em;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html/Franz_Schubert#cite_note-122" class="reference-link" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 18.703125px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(107, 75, 161); display: inherit; counter-reset: mw-Ref 121; background-position: 0px 0px;"><h4 id="Numbering_issues" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0.5em 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: 1.3; font-size: 24.9375px; vertical-align: baseline; word-wrap: break-word; word-break: break-word; background-position: 0px 0px;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">I should have smelled a rat, so to speak, earlier, because in radio broadcasts of Schubert’s works (WCRB, e.g.), the announcers cite “Deutche catalog … .”</span></h4><div><br></div><div>Chat evidently got hung up because Diabelli and Deutsch both begin with the. letter D.</div><div><br></div><div>Incidentally, it would be interesting to make the same Chat queries about Schubert and Dvorak again, to see whether Chat’s responses to the first and second queries match. Chat, after all, seems to be a look-up program that scans its internet holdings</div><div>from which it was “trained”.</div><div><br></div><div> – Mike A.</div></a><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable" about="#mwt388" style="margin: 0px 0px 1px; padding: 5px 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: italic; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 0.875em; vertical-align: baseline; color: var(--secondary-text-color); overflow: hidden; background-position: 0px 0px;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html/Schubert's_symphonies#Numbering_issues" title="Schubert's symphonies" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 21.8203125px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(51, 102, 204); background-position: 0px 0px;"></a></div></section></sup><br><br><br><p class="yahoo-quoted-begin" style="font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Monday, April 17, 2023, 10:08 PM, jjrudy1@comcast.net <jjrudy1@comcast.net> wrote:</p><blockquote class="iosymail"><div id="yiv2440049690"><style><!--
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--></style><div><div class="yiv2440049690WordSection1"><p class="yiv2440049690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial", sans-serif;">Note its response to my correction. I wonder whether it truly has now learned something. It is strange that it thought that the Unfinished was the 9<sup>th </sup></span></p><p class="yiv2440049690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial", sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2440049690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial", sans-serif;">=========================================== </span></p><p class="yiv2440049690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial", sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="yiv2440049690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI", sans-serif;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;"><br></span><img width="33" height="33" style="width:.3385in;min-height:.3385in;" src="cid:Bcdi5GbQQrzAK2qsjFCm" yahoo_partid="1.3" alt="jjrudy1@comcast.net"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI", sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="yiv2440049690MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI", sans-serif;">RUDY: how many works did Schubert compose</span></b></p><div style="border:solid #D9D9E3 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;"><p style="margin-bottom:15.0pt;border:none;padding:0in;" class="yiv2440049690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI", sans-serif;">Franz Schubert was an incredibly prolific composer, creating a vast amount of music during his relatively short life (he died at the age of 31). While the exact number of works he composed is difficult to determine due to the varying ways in which pieces have been categorized and catalogued over the years, it is believed that Schubert wrote over 1,500 works in total.</span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:0in;border:none;padding:0in;" class="yiv2440049690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI", sans-serif;">These works include symphonies, chamber music, piano music, songs (including over 600 lieder), operas, masses, and other vocal and instrumental music. Some of Schubert's most famous compositions include his Symphony No. 9, "Unfinished"; the song cycles "Die Schöne Müllerin" and "Winterreise"; the Trout Quintet; and the String Quintet in C Major, among many others.</span></p><p style="margin-top:15.0pt;border:none;padding:0in;" class="yiv2440049690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI", sans-serif;">Schubert's incredible output and lasting influence on Western classical music have cemented his legacy as one of the greatest composers of all time.</span></p></div><p class="yiv2440049690MsoNormal"><img width="33" height="33" style="width:.3385in;min-height:.3385in;" src="cid:Bcdi5GbQQrzAK2qsjFCm" yahoo_partid="1.3"><img width="32" height="33" style="width:.3333in;min-height:.3385in;" src="cid:zh2WNcaQg7LdgBfxUOBx" yahoo_partid="1.4" alt="jjrudy1@comcast.net"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI", sans-serif;"></span></p><p class="yiv2440049690MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI", sans-serif;">RUDY: that is incorrect. the Unfinished was his 8th</span></b></p><div style="border:solid #D9D9E3 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;"><p style="border:none;padding:0in;" class="yiv2440049690MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI", sans-serif;">You are correct, and I apologize for the error in my previous response. Franz Schubert's Symphony No. 8, also known as the "Unfinished" Symphony, is indeed his eighth symphony, not his ninth. It is one of his most famous and beloved works, and despite its unfinished status (it only has two completed movements), it is widely regarded as a masterpiece of the symphonic repertoire. 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