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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Harry - </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">It's worse than that. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">On this game show you can eliminate one or two of the answers. This completely changes the problem. But it is still impossible to give a correct answer, randomly or not. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">You may be correct about 50% being the first correct answer, before eliminating one of the 25% listings. But with two answers both containing the incorrect 25% answer, you do not have a 50% chance of selecting the correct answer. You have a 50% chance of selecting the WRONG answer, but only one chance in four of selecting 50% as the answer at random. In other words, you have a 50% chance of selecting 25% as the correct answer, which is an unresolvable logical paradox. Blocks of color do not change this inexorable fact. A "bad question" in game show parlance. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Now, if you eliminate one of the 25% answers, the other one remains, and 33% may now be correct, or from the available choices, a 0% chance. This changes the correct answer completely. Resulting in a "bad question", according to the game's rules. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">For the purpose stated in the urban myth posts, this makes it a truly indeterminate problem. A "bad question" in game show parlance. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">You can also make at least one phone call to a friend to help you out, and I think this show also allows contestants to ask the audience for help. (It's not relevant that you can do these things, but the rules allow these options as well.) Each step can only be done a certain number of times per round, and these steps may also muddy up the problem to an unacceptable degree. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">As I say, I have ample evidence this frame never happened. It was a Photoshop with layers created, one layer changed, and the result merged back together into a single-layer image. Then sent through enough web nodes to obfuscate the shenanigans. All for a prank.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Some people have way too much time on their hands, methinks. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">-- Bob Primak </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 06:39:31 PM EDT, Harry Forsdick <forsdick@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv9681230534"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default">Bob,</div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default">Consider the following picture:</div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><img src="cid:w2CMVVGJEVsPSPw2x4SK" yahoo_partid="2" alt="image.png" width="472" height="283"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default">I know this problem is different from the other one, but I can't think hard enough to figure out how it isn't a 1-to-1 mapping from the previous problem.</div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default">Here is how I did the mapping:</div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><ul><li style="padding-bottom:0.6001em;">replace 25% with the red blocks</li><li style="padding-bottom:0.6001em;">replace 50% with the blue block</li><li style="padding-bottom:0.6001em;">replace 0% with the yellow block</li></ul><div>So, in essence I have treated the % values in the four answers as symbols rather than values. This problem appears to have a correct answer: 50% </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><img src="cid:1ygXEDAN23n7BIy07EvU" yahoo_partid="3" alt="image.png" width="472" height="283"><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Oh, I get it. The reason it is unsolvable is because the "meaning" or "information" in the for correct answer is indeed 50%, but the probability of any one answer being the correct answer (50%) is actually 25%. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I am sure there must be a mapping of this problem to a provable contradiction.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>It's interesting that ChatGPT gets the wrong answer:</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div> - ChatGPT: </div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px;"><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><div>Hello, How can I assist you?</div><div><br clear="none"></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><div> - Harry: </div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px;"><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><div>If you choose an answer to this question at random what is the chance that you will be correct?</div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><div><br clear="none"></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px;"><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><div>The choices for the possible answers are:</div></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><div>A: 25%</div></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><div>B: 50%</div></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><div>C: 0%</div></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><div>D: 25%</div><div><br clear="none"></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><div> - ChatGPT: </div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px;"><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><div>The answer is D: 25%. Since there are four possible answers, each answer has an equal chance of being chosen at random, and only one of the four choices is correct. Therefore, the probability of choosing the correct answer is 1/4 or 25%.</div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_default"><div><br clear="none"></div><div>So much for the I in ChatGPT being an example of AI...</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>-- Harry</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="yiv9681230534gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="text-align:left;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2"><font color="#0b5394"><br clear="none"></font></font></div><div style="text-align:left;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2"><font color="#0b5394"><br clear="none"></font></font></div><div style="text-align:left;"><br clear="none"></div><table cellspacing="5" cellpadding="5" style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238);margin-left:0px;margin-right:auto;"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="font-size:10pt;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.forsdick.com/resume/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);">Harry Forsdick</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lexingtonphotoscan.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);">Lexington Photo Scanning</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lexingtontmma.org/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);">Town Meeting Member Precinct 7</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:harry@forsdick.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:harry@forsdick.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);">harry@forsdick.com</a><br clear="none"></font><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.forsdick.com/" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;color:rgb(17,85,204);">www.forsdick.com</a><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" width="5"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"> </font></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="font-size:10pt;"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://goo.gl/xZXT2F" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);">46 Burlington St.<br clear="none">Lexington, MA 02420</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="callto:17817996002" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);">(781) 799-6002 (mobile)</a><br clear="none"><font color="#0b5394"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://meet.jit.si/HarryForsdick">meet.jit.si/HarryForsdick</a> (video)</font><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://forsdick.weebly.com/home/my-websites" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);">Click</a> to see my other websites<br clear="none"></font></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv9681230534gmail_quote"><div id="yiv9681230534yqt93792" class="yiv9681230534yqt4247998428"><div dir="ltr" class="yiv9681230534gmail_attr">On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 1:50 PM Robert Primak <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="yiv9681230534gmail_quote"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div style="font-size:13px;"></div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;">Where did this image come from? </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;">I matched the image and found it to match an Australian "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" winner from November, 2005.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;">The photo in the image is not from the videos of the actual run of Mr. Martin Flood, the actual contestant who actually won the Million (Australian) Dollars on the show. </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;">I first matched the picture in this email to an urban myth, promoted on several social media sites. (Using Google Image Match right here out of my Yahoo Mail email web page.) </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;">The photo was altered to produce that question. It was a Photoshop image, never found in the original video or any accounts at the time or later of the winning run. </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;">See:</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><span>Paradox or correct answer?</span><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">https://www.reddit.com/r/3Blue1Brown/comments/j1gt5g/paradox_or_correct_answer/</a> <span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><div><div>"Alright! 👊</div><div>Programmers, engineers, and fans of logic:</div><div>I really need your help here!</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>"What is the correct answer? 🤯" </div></div><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">https://twitter.com/SimonHoiberg/status/1292427701773623297</a> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;">(Spoiler Alert: There is no answer. It is a logical paradox. And therefore a "bad question" in game show parlance.) </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;">Here are some of the actual accounts and videos:</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><span>Who Wants to be a Millionaire AUSTRALIA November 7 & 14 2005 (TWO SHOWS! - Martin Flood)</span><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wG0QmoK5rU</a><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Who Wants To Be A Millionaire Wiki<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" style="color:rgb(51,143,233);text-decoration-line:underline;">https://millionaire.fandom.com/wiki/Martin_Flood</a> </div></div></div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><span>Where are they now? Who Wants to Be a Millionaire's 20th anniversary</span><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/where-are-they-now-who-wants-to-be-a-millionaire-s-20th-anniversary-20190418-p51fcd.html</a> <span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><span>Exclusive interview with ‘Who Wants To Be A Millionaire’ winner Martin Flood… the pay-off!</span><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">https://howtowingameshows.com/2013/11/29/exclusive-interview-who-millionaire-winner-martin-flood-part-9/</a><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;">More Parts of this Interview:</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">https://howtowingameshows.com/2013/08/22/interview-who-millionaire-winner-martin-flood-part-1/</a><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">https://howtowingameshows.com/2013/08/29/exclusive-interview-with-who-wants-to-be-a-millionaire-winner-martin-flood-part-2/</a></div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">https://howtowingameshows.com/2013/09/19/interview-martin-flood-part-3/</a></div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">https://howtowingameshows.com/2013/09/26/exclusive-interview-who-millionaire-winner-martin-flood-part-4/</a><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">https://howtowingameshows.com/2013/10/10/exclusive-interview-who-millionaire-winner-martin-flood-part-5/</a><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">https://howtowingameshows.com/2013/10/17/exclusive-interview-who-millionaire-winner-martin-flood-part-6-2/</a> <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;">For those interested in winning at game shows:</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><span>Howtowingameshows.com on Facebook!</span><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">https://howtowingameshows.com/2013/10/24/howtowingameshows-com-facebook/</a><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;">Thanks for playing -- Goodbye. </div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3">Never mess with a Google Ninja!</font></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;">-- Bob Primak</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div>
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