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<p><font size="5">I just checked my phone companies website.</font></p>
<p><font size="5">They sell the Samsung Galaxy A23 5G WITH NFC for
$299. <br>
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<p><font size="5">Even better, there is a brand new 2023 Galaxy A14
5G WITH NFC for $199.</font></p>
<p><font size="5">The Samsung Galaxy A14 5G was released on January
12, 2023. It runs on Android 13, One UI Core 5 and has a
thickness of 9.1mm. The phone features a 6.6-inch display with a
resolution of 1080x2400 (FHD+). It comes with two SoC variants:
Exynos 1330 (SM-A146B) and Dimensity 700 (SM-A146P). It supports
4GB, 6GB, and 8GB of RAM memory, and 64GB and 128GB of internal
storage. The phone has a triple-lens camera system with a rear
camera resolution of 50MP and a front-facing camera resolution
of ?.<br>
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<p><font size="5">So, you can get very affordable 5G phones with
NFC.<br>
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<p><font size="5"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.thephonetalks.com/samsung-galaxy-phones-nfc/">https://www.thephonetalks.com/samsung-galaxy-phones-nfc/</a></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/27/2023 3:57 PM, Robert Primak
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Pixel and iPhone are nowhere
near low-end smartphones. The dividing point between high-end
and low-end smartphones is about $400.00 new and $300.00 used
or older models. Very old, soon to be obsolete models may be
as low as $200.0 and Bing AI 0 or less. But they won't last
long and will never again get system updates. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I use the Motorola g stylus
series. And even that is not low-end. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The vast majority of
smartphones in the US are not high-end models. And nearly all
do not have NFC or Apple's version. Almost all low-end
smartphones are Android phones without NFC. Including the Moto
g-series up to the Moto g 5G subseries which is expensive
again. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Since I'm in the market for a
budget smartphone now, I have done some research into this.
(Don't you just hate when the charging port goes bad on an
otherwise working phone? Yes, I'll get it fixed, but I'll need
backup while the repair is done.) </div>
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<div> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 07:31:34 AM EDT, Rich
Moffitt <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rich@richmoffitt.org"><rich@richmoffitt.org></a> wrote: </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On the topic of NFC, though it's
irrelevant to Nearby Share: there are several cheap
phones that have NFC now, in fact I would say it's in
the majority of new smartphones at this point, given
that NFC components are commoditized and the software
stack is mature and well standardized by now. Low end
smartphone models like the Google Pixel a series,
Samsung Galaxy A series, and the Apple iPhone SE have
had NFC for several years. A used iPhone SE can be
found for under $250 ( <a rel="nofollow noopener
noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="https://swappa.com/buy/apple-iphone-se-3rd-gen-2022"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://swappa.com/buy/apple-iphone-se-3rd-gen-2022</a>
) and Android phones for even less.
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<div>Side note: "dumb phones" are experiencing a bit
of a revival. ( <a rel="nofollow noopener
noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60763168"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60763168</a> )
A possible side effect is lowering smartphone
prices, at least for a little while.</div>
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<div>For a little about how AirDrop and Nearby Share
work, the diagram from the paper "A Billion Open
Interfaces for Eve and Mallory: MitM, DoS, and
Tracking Attacks on iOS and macOS Through Apple
Wireless Direct Link" ( <a rel="nofollow noopener
noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="https://www.usenix.org/system/files/sec19-stute.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.usenix.org/system/files/sec19-stute.pdf</a>
) may be helpful.</div>
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<div>The technologies in play are Bluetooth and
peer-to-peer wifi. Bluetooth for discovery, and
wifi for session establishment and high speed
transfer. Peer-to-peer Bluetooth sharing has been
around for decades and is really slow, so this is
effectively a replacement using wifi. Apple had
some interesting vulnerabilities arise ( <a
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target="_blank"
href="https://www.wired.com/story/zero-click-ios-attack-project-zero/"
moz-do-not-send="true"
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) shortly after release. Similarly, Microsoft had
to work out some implementation bugs in Nearby
Sharing (not to be confused with Android Nearby
Share) that introduced a rather serious
remotely exploitable vulnerability ( <a
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target="_blank"
href="https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2021-40464"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2021-40464</a>
) a couple years ago. Lastly we have Google's
Nearby Share, which Drew mentioned, and it is the
newest protocol and happens to be incompatible
with the other two. Interoperability is clearly a
mess. The concept is pretty well accepted now, but
the implementation standards remind me of this
XKCD cartoon:</div>
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Fri, May 26, 2023 at 11:56 PM Drew King <<a
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<p><font size="5">Bob,</font></p>
<p><font size="5">To my knowledge, NFC Is a cell
phone thing not a Windows thing therefore is
not a factor in this technology.<br
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<p><font size="5">NFC is always DISABLED on my
cell. This software does <font
color="#800000"><b>not</b></font> use 5G
or nfc. You just need to be on the same wifi
network. Bluetooth might work also, but I'm
not certain of that. <br clear="none">
</font></p>
<p><font size="5">Yes, Apple has had this
feature for quite some time To go from I O S
to I O S and perhaps MacOS.</font></p>
<p><font size="5">Android phones no matter what
kinds you have always had the ability to do
nearby sharing to other Android phones, this
software adds the capability to do that
between Android and windows.</font></p>
<p><font size="5">There is another program in
the Google play app store that can transfer
files from an Android phone to a Windows
computer using the windows nearby sharing
technology without needing to install any
software on windows. Because you're not
installing anything on windows it only works
in one direction from your Android device to
Windows. the hyperlink to the app in the
Google play app store is listed below.. <br
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<div dir="ltr">Be aware, NFC (Android) only
exists in a few, mostly 5G Cellular
capable, smartphones right now. None of
these phones is currently priced under the
high-$400.00 range. For me, that's a lot
of money to pay just to share files with
nearby devices and make contactless
payments. Just making these payments
signals people that your phone is worth
stealing. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Apple (iOS) has had their
version of Nearby Sharing for a lot longer
than the Android phones. But just showing
that you have an iPhone capable of
contactless payments sends the same signal
that the phone is worth stealing. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Just my opinions.</div>
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<div> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 11:10:39
PM EDT, Drew King <a rel="nofollow
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<p>All,</p>
<p>I will demo this at the June
Windows 11 meeting.<br
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<p>This software is still in beta
and I have it installed on two
machines and so far it works
flawlessly. It's written by
Google.<br clear="none">
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<p>It lets you use the Android
nearby share feature that normally
only nearby shares with other
Android phones with Windows
computers also.</p>
<p>If you select and long press text
or a hyperlink or a file, android
pops up a window and there is an
icon that symbolizes sharing that
is a three-way star looking thing
and then nearby share will be one
of the options. When probably
installed, your Windows computer
will show up as one of the devices
that you can send the file or
hyperlink to. <br clear="none">
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<p>You can send text that you select
on your Android app, and you can
also send hyperlinks in addition
to files.</p>
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width="1071" height="573">
<p><font size="5"><a rel="nofollow
noopener noreferrer"
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moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p>There is also a separate Android
software program in the Google
Play App Store that lets you do
the same thing but only in one
direction . Developer is working
on two way. The big difference
with this software program is you
don't need to install or modify
windows in any way whatsoever. The
application on Android can send
files to windows that have nearby
share enabled. Nearby share on
windows must be enabled for this
to work.<br clear="none">
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<p><font size="6">Nearby Sharing
Windows 10 / 11</font></p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener
noreferrer" shape="rect"
target="_blank"
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moz-do-not-send="true"
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