<div dir="ltr">I'm willing to bet that just as a lot of the people who answer queries for "local companies" are actually located in Bangaloru in India -- <div>so too will a lot of the "gig" workers building and training the models for local companies be Bangaloruan as well</div><div><br></div><div>Once globalization was viewed as the way to democratize tech -- combining local subject matter expertise with global technical competence</div><div><br></div><div>The reality has been the global spread of the "moronocracy" -- wasting everyone's time --- in you having to provide for yourself the expertise for the services [with the "assistance of remote customer servants"] which at one time you could obtain locally</div><div><br></div><div>Case in point -- yesterday I bought a new UPS at Microcenter -- two different sales assistants were unable to understand the ratings of the various products -- </div><div>specifically the relationship between Watt - Hours, Joules, and Watts although they could babble the manufacturer's PR-line about pure sinewave power</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Ted</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 4:55 PM Drew King <<a href="mailto:dking65@kingconsulting.us">dking65@kingconsulting.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="5">I find myself using either MS Chat or Google Bard
as they offer new content.</font></p>
<p><font size="5">Still wouldn't write a paper with them. An
outline, yes.<br>
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<p><font size="5">Command line syntax questions in Windows/Linux
have been very accurate and helpful in Chat.</font></p>
<p><font size="5">MS is rapidly integrating AI into Windows 11, and
Office. It will soon be a piece of cake for somebody who does
not know how to generate charts and graphs in Microsoft Excel to
do so easily.</font></p>
<p><font size="5">Some companies are beginning to ban chat GPT for
their employees. I think they believe it's no different than
using Facebook while at work. Programmers that work for these
companies are frustrated because they've been using ai to check
their code and run tests, and now their bosses are telling them
they're not allowed to.</font></p>
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<div>On 6/24/2023 12:07 PM, Robert Primak
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<div dir="ltr">The paradigm of an "<span>AI
model they’d trained themselves that looks for telltale
signals of ChatGPT output" has been proven time and time
again to spew out false-positives. College professors have
lost their jobs for making unsubstantiated accusations and
penalizing students for allegedly using AI or ChatGPT when
in fact the students came back with notes and drafts proving
definitively that their work was original and not generated
by AI. An "accuracy rate" which allows for up to 40%
false-positives does not encourage placing any faith in AI
models which claim to be able to detect AI produced content.
The Swiss team was either lying, or else they were deceiving
themselves. Put succinctly, AI can never definitively detect
AI.</span></div>
<div dir="ltr"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div dir="ltr"><span>Nevertheless, there is
a very real possibility that at least some LLMs are reusing
data sets which were supplied with the help of AI models.
The models might very well be feeding upon their own errors.
And this does pose a real threat to the integrity of the
information presented as output by all LLMs. How LLMs and
other AI are trained does influence their behaviors when
they are put into use.</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span>Outsourcing any part of
AI training does run the risk that the gig workers involved
will take every shortcut they can to generate the illusion
that they are producing more finished work in a shorter time
interval. Gig workers are notorious for doing everything
they can to avoid doing any real work.</span></div>
<div dir="ltr"><span><br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span>The obvious solution is
this: Pay qualified people to do the training work under the
watchful eyes of in-house research staff. It's a lot more
expensive, but this is the only way to make sure no one is
taking thee easy way out and endangering the integrity of
the entire project. When you take shortcuts in technology
development, it is your end-users who invariably pay the
price. </span></div>
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<p style="vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(17,17,17);text-transform:uppercase"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.technologyreview.com/topic/artificial-intelligence/" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:white;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0in;text-decoration:none">ARTIFICIALThis
is scary INTELLIGENCE</span></b></a></span></p>
<h1 style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;margin:0px;outline:0px"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:white">paid
to train AI are outsourcing their work… to AI</span></h1>
<p style="margin:0in;vertical-align:baseline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;outline:0px"><b><span style="font-size:18pt;color:white;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0in">It’s a practice that could
introduce further errors into already
error-prone models.</span></b><span style="font-size:18pt;color:white"></span></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline"><span><b><span style="font-size:15pt;color:white;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0in">By </span></b></span><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:white"></span></b></p>
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Williams</span><span><span style="color:blue;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0in;text-decoration:none">archive
page</span></span></a></span></b></li>
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<p style="vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:white">June 22, 2023</span></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(17,17,17);border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0in"><img style="width: 22in; min-height: 12.3802in;" id="m_-6391126348773192518yiv3946723560Picture_x0020_3" alt="anonymous workers at a
conveyor belt and strings of words flow out one
end" width="2112" height="1189" border="0"></span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(17,17,17);border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0in"></span></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(97,101,104);text-transform:uppercase;letter-spacing:0.75pt;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0in">STEPHANIE
ARNETT/MITTR | GETTY</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(17,17,17)"></span></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;outline:0px"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">A significant
proportion of people paid to train AI models may
be themselves outsourcing that work to AI, a new
study has found. </span></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;outline:0px"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">It takes an incredible
amount of data to train AI systems to perform
specific tasks accurately and reliably. Many
companies pay gig workers on platforms like <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/12/11/1014081/ai-machine-learning-crowd-gig-worker-problem-amazon-mechanical-turk/" target="_blank"><span style="border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0in">Mechanical Turk</span></a> to
complete tasks that are typically hard to
automate, such as solving CAPTCHAs, labeling data
and annotating text. This data is then fed into AI
models to train them. The workers are poorly paid
and are often expected to complete lots of tasks
very quickly. </span></p>
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noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/04/04/1070938/we-are-hurtling-toward-a-glitchy-spammy-scammy-ai-powered-internet/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:blue;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0in;text-decoration:none"><img style="width: 22in; min-height: 12.3802in;" id="m_-6391126348773192518yiv3946723560Picture_x0020_2" alt="""" width="2112" height="1189" border="0"></span></a><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(17,17,17)"></span></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(17,17,17)"><a rel="nofollow noopener
noreferrer" href="https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/04/04/1070938/we-are-hurtling-toward-a-glitchy-spammy-scammy-ai-powered-internet/" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0in"></span></b></a></span></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline"><b><u><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:blue;border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0in"><a rel="nofollow noopener
noreferrer" href="https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/04/04/1070938/we-are-hurtling-toward-a-glitchy-spammy-scammy-ai-powered-internet/" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">We are hurtling toward
a glitchy, spammy, scammy, AI-powered
internet</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext;border:none;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"></span></a></span></u></b></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(17,17,17)"> </span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;vertical-align:baseline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;outline:0px"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:rgb(17,17,17)">Large language models are
full of security vulnerabilities, yet they’re
being embedded into tech products on a vast scale.</span></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;outline:0px"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">No wonder some of them
may be turning to tools like ChatGPT to maximize
their earning potential. But how many? To find
out, a team of researchers from the Swiss Federal
Institute of Technology (EPFL) hired 44 people on
the gig work platform Amazon Mechanical Turk to
summarize 16 extracts from medical research
papers. Then they analyzed their responses using
an AI model they’d trained themselves that looks
for telltale signals of ChatGPT output, such as
lack of variety in choice of words. They also
extracted the workers’ keystrokes in a bid to work
out whether they’d copied and pasted their
answers, an indicator that they’d generated their
responses elsewhere.</span></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;outline:0px"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">They estimated that
somewhere between 33% and 46% of the workers had
used AI models like OpenAI’s ChatGPT. It’s a
percentage that’s likely to grow even higher as
ChatGPT and other AI systems become more powerful
and easily accessible, according to the authors of
the study, which has been shared on <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" href="https://arxiv.org/pdf/2306.07899.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0in">arXiv</span></a> and
is yet to be peer-reviewed. </span></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;outline:0px"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">“I don’t think it’s the
end of crowdsourcing platforms. It just changes
the dynamics,” says Robert West, an assistant
professor at EPFL, who coauthored the study. </span></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;outline:0px"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">Using AI-generated data
to train AI could introduce further errors into
already error-prone models. Large language models
regularly present false information as fact. If
they generate incorrect output that is itself used
to train other AI models, the errors can be
absorbed by those models and amplified over time,
making it more and more difficult to work out
their origins, says Ilia Shumailov, a junior
research fellow in computer science at Oxford
University, who was not involved in the project.</span></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;outline:0px"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">Even worse, there’s no
simple fix. “The problem is, when you’re using
artificial data, you acquire the errors from the
misunderstandings of the models and statistical
errors,” he says. “You need to make sure that your
errors are not biasing the output of other models,
and there’s no simple way to do that.”</span></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;outline:0px"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">The study highlights
the need for new ways to check whether data has
been produced by humans or AI. It also highlights
one of the problems with tech companies’ tendency
to rely on gig workers to do the vital work of
tidying up the data fed to AI systems. </span></p>
<p style="vertical-align:baseline;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;outline:0px"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">“I don’t think
everything will collapse,” says West. “But I think
the AI community will have to investigate closely
which tasks are most prone to being automated and
to work on ways to prevent this.”</span></p>
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