<div dir="ltr"><div>As a followup, people might want to look at a book on Hubble, that has discussion of what happened with respect to screwing up the original optics fabrication. As I said, it was not a units problems.<br></div><div><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Universe-Mirror-Hubble-Telescope-Visionaries/dp/0691146357">https://www.amazon.com/Universe-Mirror-Hubble-Telescope-Visionaries/dp/0691146357</a></div><div><br></div><div>My thesis advisor was on the COSTAR team that designed the corrective optics that was eventually attached by the repair missions.</div><div><br></div><div>David Lees<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 10:17 PM David Lees <<a href="mailto:joeoptics@gmail.com">joeoptics@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">No it was an incorrectly manufactured mirror. Nothing to do with units. Radius of curvature was in error and they never did an end to end system test before launching it. Interesting that a Lexington based company, Itek out on McGuire Rd for those who remember, proposed a full system test. But for political reasons the contract went to Perkin Elmer in Connecticut.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">H<br><br><div dir="auto">David Lees <br>From Pixel 6 Pro</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 5, 2023, 9:33 PM Stan Rose <<a href="mailto:stan_rose@alum.mit.edu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">stan_rose@alum.mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Wasn't the original Hubble mirror problem also a metric-English error?</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 5, 2023, 7:27 PM George Gamota <<a href="mailto:ggamota@stma-llc.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ggamota@stma-llc.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">There was this Mars mission where the scientists used metric and engineers used English. The spacecraft went millions of miles of course.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+ggamota=<a href="mailto:stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ted Kochanski<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 5, 2023 6:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Lees <<a href="mailto:joeoptics@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">joeoptics@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> George Gamota <<a href="mailto:ggamota@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ggamota@gmail.com</a>>; Lexington Computer Group New Address Distribution <<a href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] How did they do it<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Depends on the system which is involved<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">[aka Where is AI when you really need it]<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">A while back an Air Canada 767 headed for Edmonton Alberta had to do an emergency [no engine power] landing at a former [WW2-Cold War vintage CRAF base in Gimli Manitoba] -- Google or Wikipedia the "Gimli Glider"<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">While the whole incident was complicated by electronic embedded system failures, as well as procedural failures -- ultimately the "crash landing" resulted from a fuel load<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">entered into the flight control computer in kgs but using the measurement of the fuel load in lbs -- when they took off from Montreal via Ottawa enroute to Edmonton <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Somewhere in western Ontario they discovered that they had no fuel left -- and their engines shut down causing the plane to lose primary and backup hydraulic power <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">and most of the electrical power as well. The loss of primary electrical power led to the loss of the Mode S Transponder causing great grief in the en-route Air Traffic Control <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Luckily -- The 767 came equipped with a ram-air turbine to drive an emergency hydraulic pump -- but this depended on the plane maintaining typical cruising speed<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">As they approached Gimli things didn't look too promising.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">However -- There was manifold mostly accidental good news: <u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-left:30pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal">the pilot was an experienced glider pilot<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">his co-pilot had flown out of the Gimli air base when he was in the CRAF. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Lacking full hydraulic power the nose landing gear failed to fully descend and lock into place. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Finally, and improbably the old airbase had been converted to a motorsports park [which was if use by drag racers used to dealing with fires] with a guardrail running down the centere of the former runway<u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal">[from the wiki article]<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal">"As soon as the wheels touched down on the runway, Pearson [767 pilot] braked hard, skidding and promptly blowing out two of the aircraft's tires. The unlocked nose wheel collapsed and was forced back into its well, causing the aircraft's nose to slam into, bounce off, and then scrape along the ground. This additional friction helped to slow the airplane and kept it from crashing into the crowds surrounding the runway. Pearson applied extra right brake, which caused the main landing gear to straddle the guardrail. Air Canada Flight 143 came to a final stop on the ground <b>17 minutes after running out of fuel</b><br>No serious injuries occurred among the 61 passengers or the people on the ground. As the aircraft's nose had collapsed onto the ground, its tail was elevated, so some minor injuries happened when passengers exited the aircraft via the rear slides, which were not sufficiently long to accommodate the increased height. A minor fire in the nose area was extinguished by racers and course workers equipped with portable fire extinguishers.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">So sometimes even if you don't know your kgs from your feet or whatever -- you may still luck-out<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ted<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 5:30 PM David Lees <<a href="mailto:joeoptics@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">joeoptics@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yea, the metric - English units disaster. Why metric units should always be used unless you are buying beer <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😜</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/moon-mars/news/a28632/the-dumb-mistake-that-doomed-a-mars-probe-in-1999/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/moon-mars/news/a28632/the-dumb-mistake-that-doomed-a-mars-probe-in-1999/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 5, 2023, 4:06 PM Ted Kochanski <<a href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal">All,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Remember -- Mars has a tendency of inducing conversion errors <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Google for yourself how many of these<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ted<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 3:59 PM George Gamota <<a href="mailto:ggamota@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ggamota@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">You guys are right. Need stronger glasses :-) <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">On Jul 5, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Dick Miller <<a href="mailto:TheMillers@millermicro.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">TheMillers@millermicro.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <span style="font-family:"DejaVu Serif",serif">George, it will take more than a century for that rover to travel that distance. That is, if the likelihood of mechanical breakdown - or a Martian monster - doesn't come first.<br><br>It has traveled about 1.2 miles so far. In the article you cited, those were American decimal points, not European ones.</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br><span style="font-family:"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:black">Cheers from<br>--Dick Miller, Partner, MMS <<a href="mailto:TheMillers@millermicro.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">TheMillers@millermicro.com</a>></span> <br><br><span style="font-family:"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:black">Sent from an awesome, inexpensive, <a href="https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">non-proprietary</a>, no-lock-in, no-bloatware, virus-resistant, <a href="http://NatickFOSS.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">free open-source software, <i>Linux</i></a> PC - with <a href="https://ubuntuunity.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><i>Ubuntu-Unity 23.04</i></a> and <a href="http://www.kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><i>Fotoxx 23.50</i></a>.<br><br></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 7/5/23 14:15, Donald Cooke wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">That's a long way. Wikipedia has another opinion, Meters, not Kilometers: <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><image.png><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <img style="width: 1.275in; height: 0.75in;" id="m_-8015887093765194433m_2053293782061571001m_-5788556737962497540m_-3008667161170099044_x0000_i1025" src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/avAY6IS9k0fcFjdhNWxfcF2HGlXfQj0qco81OwnmQ0Ur7T8IkjBU2i6rSnKpDvI2d7oGuzZmqhAioVuXk-WtqiihbHHb2B0OyhCKu11DDdoE8RzMlJRo9pVpyDDFDqBJ7PyMxAc0" width="122" height="72" border="0"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Don Cooke #523 603.219.9259<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 10:57 AM <<a href="mailto:ggamota@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ggamota@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">I just saw that the Chinese rover on Mars traveled over 1, 100 miles in one year. Seems like they figured out a way to travel autonomously. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">Any thoughts?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">George</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(21,21,21);background:rgb(237,237,237)">The Zhurong rover has operated on the surface of Mars for over a year since it deployed on May 22nd, 2021. Before the rover suspended operations on May 20, 2022, due to the onset of winter and the approach of seasonal sandstorms, Zhurong managed to traverse a total distance of 1.921 km (1.194 mi).</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">===============================================<br>::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br>Reply goes to sender only; Reply All to send to list.<br>Send to the list: <a href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a> Message archives: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/</a><br>To subscribe: email <a href="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lctg-subscribe@toku.us</a> To unsubscribe: email <a href="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us</a><br>Future and Past meeting information: <a href="http://LCTG.toku.us" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://LCTG.toku.us</a><br>List information: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us</a><br>This message was sent to <a href="mailto:doncooke2@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">doncooke2@gmail.com</a>.<br>Set your list options: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/doncooke2@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/doncooke2@gmail.com</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><pre>===============================================<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Reply goes to sender only; 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