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I don’t think so, Stan. Per Wikipedia, <span style="font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Lato, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 24.9375px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;">Hubble was </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html/STS-31" title="STS-31" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Lato, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 24.9375px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(107, 75, 161); -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%; background-position: 0px 0px;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">finally launched</a><span style="font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Lato, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 24.9375px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;"> in 1990, but its main mirror had been ground incorrectly, resulting in </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html/Spherical_aberration" title="Spherical aberration" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Lato, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 24.9375px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(107, 75, 161); -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%; background-position: 0px 0px;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">spherical aberration</a><span style="font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Lato, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 24.9375px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;">that compromised the telescope's capabilities. The optics were corrected to their intended quality by a </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html/STS-61" title="STS-61" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Lato, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-stretch: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size: 24.9375px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(107, 75, 161); -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%; background-position: 0px 0px;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">servicing mission</a><span style="font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Lato, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 24.9375px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;"> in 1993.</span><br><br>I doubt that spherical aberration would have been the primary result of a metric-English foul-up..<div><br></div><div> Mike Alexander<br><div><br><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><br><br><p class="yahoo-quoted-begin" style="font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Wednesday, July 5, 2023, 10:17 PM, David Lees <joeoptics@gmail.com> wrote:</p><blockquote class="iosymail"><div id="yiv7539753717"><div><div><div>No it was an incorrectly manufactured mirror. Nothing to do with units. Radius of curvature was in error and they never did an end to end system test before launching it. Interesting that a Lexington based company, Itek out on McGuire Rd for those who remember, proposed a full system test. But for political reasons the contract went to Perkin Elmer in Connecticut.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>H<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>David Lees <br clear="none">From Pixel 6 Pro</div></div><br clear="none"><div id="yiv7539753717yqt49230" class="yiv7539753717yqt1226786145"><div class="yiv7539753717gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="yiv7539753717gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 5, 2023, 9:33 PM Stan Rose <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:stan_rose@alum.mit.edu" href="mailto:stan_rose@alum.mit.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">stan_rose@alum.mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class="yiv7539753717gmail_quote"><div>Wasn't the original Hubble mirror problem also a metric-English error?</div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv7539753717gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="yiv7539753717gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 5, 2023, 7:27 PM George Gamota <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ggamota@stma-llc.com" href="mailto:ggamota@stma-llc.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">ggamota@stma-llc.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class="yiv7539753717gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US" style="word-wrap:break-word;"><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;color:#1f497d;">There was this Mars mission where the scientists used metric and engineers used English. The spacecraft went millions of miles of course.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;color:#1f497d;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+ggamota=<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us" href="mailto:stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ted Kochanski<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 5, 2023 6:15 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> David Lees <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:joeoptics@gmail.com" href="mailto:joeoptics@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">joeoptics@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> George Gamota <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ggamota@gmail.com" href="mailto:ggamota@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">ggamota@gmail.com</a>>; Lexington Computer Group New Address Distribution <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] How did they do it<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">Depends on the system which is involved<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">[aka Where is AI when you really need it]<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">A while back an Air Canada 767 headed for Edmonton Alberta had to do an emergency [no engine power] landing at a former [WW2-Cold War vintage CRAF base in Gimli Manitoba] -- Google or Wikipedia the "Gimli Glider"<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">While the whole incident was complicated by electronic embedded system failures, as well as procedural failures -- ultimately the "crash landing" resulted from a fuel load<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">entered into the flight control computer in kgs but using the measurement of the fuel load in lbs -- when they took off from Montreal via Ottawa enroute to Edmonton <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">Somewhere in western Ontario they discovered that they had no fuel left -- and their engines shut down causing the plane to lose primary and backup hydraulic power <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">and most of the electrical power as well. The loss of primary electrical power led to the loss of the Mode S Transponder causing great grief in the en-route Air Traffic Control <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">Luckily -- The 767 came equipped with a ram-air turbine to drive an emergency hydraulic pump -- but this depended on the plane maintaining typical cruising speed<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">As they approached Gimli things didn't look too promising.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">However -- There was manifold mostly accidental good news: <u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0in;"><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">the pilot was an experienced glider pilot<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">his co-pilot had flown out of the Gimli air base when he was in the CRAF. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">Lacking full hydraulic power the nose landing gear failed to fully descend and lock into place. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">Finally, and improbably the old airbase had been converted to a motorsports park [which was if use by drag racers used to dealing with fires] with a guardrail running down the centere of the former runway<u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">[from the wiki article]<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;"><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">"As soon as the wheels touched down on the runway, Pearson [767 pilot] braked hard, skidding and promptly blowing out two of the aircraft's tires. The unlocked nose wheel collapsed and was forced back into its well, causing the aircraft's nose to slam into, bounce off, and then scrape along the ground. This additional friction helped to slow the airplane and kept it from crashing into the crowds surrounding the runway. Pearson applied extra right brake, which caused the main landing gear to straddle the guardrail. Air Canada Flight 143 came to a final stop on the ground <b>17 minutes after running out of fuel</b><br clear="none">No serious injuries occurred among the 61 passengers or the people on the ground. As the aircraft's nose had collapsed onto the ground, its tail was elevated, so some minor injuries happened when passengers exited the aircraft via the rear slides, which were not sufficiently long to accommodate the increased height. A minor fire in the nose area was extinguished by racers and course workers equipped with portable fire extinguishers.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">So sometimes even if you don't know your kgs from your feet or whatever -- you may still luck-out<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">Ted<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 5:30 PM David Lees <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:joeoptics@gmail.com" href="mailto:joeoptics@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">joeoptics@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;"><div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">Yea, the metric - English units disaster. Why metric units should always be used unless you are buying beer <span style="font-family:UI sans-serif;">😜</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><a shape="rect" href="https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/moon-mars/news/a28632/the-dumb-mistake-that-doomed-a-mars-probe-in-1999/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/moon-mars/news/a28632/the-dumb-mistake-that-doomed-a-mars-probe-in-1999/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 5, 2023, 4:06 PM Ted Kochanski <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;"><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">All,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">Remember -- Mars has a tendency of inducing conversion errors <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">Google for yourself how many of these<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">Ted<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 3:59 PM George Gamota <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ggamota@gmail.com" href="mailto:ggamota@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">ggamota@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;"><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">You guys are right. Need stronger glasses :-) <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">On Jul 5, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Dick Miller <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:TheMillers@millermicro.com" href="mailto:TheMillers@millermicro.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">TheMillers@millermicro.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"> <span style="font-family:serif;">George, it will take more than a century for that rover to travel that distance. That is, if the likelihood of mechanical breakdown - or a Martian monster - doesn't come first.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It has traveled about 1.2 miles so far. In the article you cited, those were American decimal points, not European ones.</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:serif;color:black;">Cheers from<br clear="none">--Dick Miller, Partner, MMS <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:TheMillers@millermicro.com" href="mailto:TheMillers@millermicro.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">TheMillers@millermicro.com</a>></span> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:serif;color:black;">Sent from an awesome, inexpensive, <a shape="rect" href="https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">non-proprietary</a>, no-lock-in, no-bloatware, virus-resistant, <a shape="rect" href="http://NatickFOSS.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">free open-source software, <i>Linux</i></a> PC - with <a shape="rect" href="https://ubuntuunity.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><i>Ubuntu-Unity 23.04</i></a> and <a shape="rect" href="http://www.kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><i>Fotoxx 23.50</i></a>.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">On 7/5/23 14:15, Donald Cooke wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">That's a long way. Wikipedia has another opinion, Meters, not Kilometers: <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><image.png><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"> <img id="yiv7539753717m_2053293782061571001m_-5788556737962497540m_-3008667161170099044_x0000_i1025" border="0" width="122" height="72" style="width:1.275in;min-height:.75in;" src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/avAY6IS9k0fcFjdhNWxfcF2HGlXfQj0qco81OwnmQ0Ur7T8IkjBU2i6rSnKpDvI2d7oGuzZmqhAioVuXk-WtqiihbHHb2B0OyhCKu11DDdoE8RzMlJRo9pVpyDDFDqBJ7PyMxAc0"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">Don Cooke #523 603.219.9259<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 10:57 AM <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ggamota@gmail.com" href="mailto:ggamota@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">ggamota@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;"><div><div><div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">I just saw that the Chinese rover on Mars traveled over 1, 100 miles in one year. Seems like they figured out a way to travel autonomously. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">Any thoughts?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;">George</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#151515;background:#ededed;">The Zhurong rover has operated on the surface of Mars for over a year since it deployed on May 22nd, 2021. Before the rover suspended operations on May 20, 2022, due to the onset of winter and the approach of seasonal sandstorms, Zhurong managed to traverse a total distance of 1.921 km (1.194 mi).</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal">===============================================<br clear="none">::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br clear="none">Reply goes to sender only; Reply All to send to list.<br clear="none">Send to the list: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a> Message archives: <a shape="rect" href="http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/</a><br clear="none">To subscribe: email <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us" href="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">lctg-subscribe@toku.us</a> To unsubscribe: email <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us" href="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us</a><br clear="none">Future and Past meeting information: <a shape="rect" href="http://LCTG.toku.us" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">http://LCTG.toku.us</a><br clear="none">List information: <a shape="rect" href="http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us</a><br clear="none">This message was sent to <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:doncooke2@gmail.com" href="mailto:doncooke2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">doncooke2@gmail.com</a>.<br clear="none">Set your list options: <a shape="rect" href="http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/doncooke2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/doncooke2@gmail.com</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="yiv7539753717MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><pre>===============================================<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Reply goes to sender only; 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