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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I have heard of clay pigeons, but never clay chickens.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-- Carl<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+carllazarus=comcast.net@lists.toku.us> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Passman via LCTG<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 4:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Alexander <mna.ma@yahoo.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Lex Computer Group <lctg@lists.toku.us><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Is physics useful?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I worked at GE, Lynn. They fixed chicken for the "bird ingestion tests" through the '80s. Around then some company made chicken simulators with clay and bones.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, 11:19 AM Michael Alexander via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>As I recall, Alan (and others), there used to be a test in which (hopefully dead) chickens were fired at aircraft windshields to test the windshields’ integrity against bird strikes. Seriously. Maybe the test is still in use.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> Mike Alexander<br><br><br><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS" target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-top:0in'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#715FFA'>On Saturday, September 23, 2023, 12:52 PM, Alan Millner via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div id="m_-9025146522624337030yiv9873363154"><div><p class=MsoNormal>My crude version of an old joke this brings to mind:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The British aircraft corporation, bringing their first large airliner to market, was anxious to satisfy American safety requirements. They noted a test for the windscreen to survive bird strikes. So, they assembled an air cannon, and bought a commercial turkey as a test object, and carefully calibrated the speed of the exiting bird to replicate the speed of the aircraft. When they fired the bird at the windshield, they were horrified to see the turkey crash through the windscreen, smash the back of the pilot’s seat, and bury itself in the partition behind. They sent a panicky email to NASA asking for assistance with the problem. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nasa sent a three word reply:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>”Thaw the turkey.” <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Alan Millner<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="mailto:amillner@alum.mit.edu" target="_blank">amillner@alum.mit.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>home 781-862-7893. cell 781-999-4346<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>48 North St., Lexington MA 02420<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sep 23, 2023, at 11:59 AM, Peter Albin via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Who is bringing the frozen chicken to the next POT-poor-i?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>On Sep 23, 2023, at 11:34 AM, John Rudy via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;word-spacing:0px'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I knew I could trust you.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Anyway, the chicken only needs to be heated to 150 degrees and a 2# chicken is really small</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Charles Holbrow <<a href="mailto:chholbrow@gmail.com" target="_blank">chholbrow@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 11:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Lex Computer Group <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>>; Colin Rudy <<a href="mailto:colinr1230@gmail.com" target="_blank">colinr1230@gmail.com</a>>; phil radoff <<a href="mailto:plradoff@yahoo.com" target="_blank">plradoff@yahoo.com</a>>; Mel Weinzimer <<a href="mailto:melweinzimer@yahoo.com" target="_blank">melweinzimer@yahoo.com</a>>; Karen Kalil Brown <<a href="mailto:kkalilbrown@hotmail.com" target="_blank">kkalilbrown@hotmail.com</a>>; George Starkschall <<a href="mailto:gstarkschall@gmail.com" target="_blank">gstarkschall@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Is physics useful?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Heat capacity for 1 kg of water is almost 4200 J/kg/C. I would expect a frozen chicken to be mostly water, but maybe the chicken industry has experimentally determined the heat capacity of a chicken carcass.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This calculation does not include heat of fusion necessary to melt ice i.e. to defrost the frozen chicken.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Heat will be carried away from the warming chicken by vapor which will also include heat of vaporization which is big. The rate of heat loss will soon equal the rate it is being delivered by the slaps.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Including all the physics will make for a much bigger number of slaps. That's a physics calculation. In addition, any self respecting engineer would provide a margin for error. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Of course you could build an apparatus that slaps the chicken in a closed environment so there is no heat loss while the chicken is being slapped. Then you will need to supply enough slap energy to heat that apparatus as well as the chicken.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Don't invest in this.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--Charlie<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 9:21 AM John Rudy via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>The average person would not be able to do this, and wouldn’t even care. But to me it is beauty. Of course I have not verified the numbers.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>John Rudy</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>781-861-0402</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>781-718-8334 cell</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>13 Hawthorne Lane</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bedford MA</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>===============================================<br>::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br>Reply goes to sender only; 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