<div dir="ltr">Real challenge is in coupling the energy in the moving hand to the chicken<div><br></div><div><i>If the chicken is still frozen the collision is very much of an inelastic deformation of your hand against a quite rigid object -- akin to dropping a tennis ball [your hand] on a concrete floor [the frozen chicken] -- much of the energy goes into heating the ball as it deforms and then rebounds imperfectly -- not the floor or alternatively hitting a baseball with a metal bat</i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i>So for the multiple slap scenario -- many of the slaps do very little useful heating. </i><i>Eventually as the chicken thaws -- your hand and the chicken both deform on the collision and the coupling of KE in your moving hand to the chicken improves -- especially if the chicken is held in place by gravity or mechanical fixturing. Otherwise for a "free chicken" -- the impact momentum is nearly equidistributed [the masses are comparable] and you waste a lot of the slap accelerating the chicken. </i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><i>To optimize the "cooking" energy transfer -- use a set of brass knuckles on a fully thawed boneless chicken breast lying on a </i></div><div><i>massive granite slab -- this will: </i></div><div><i>tenderize the meat, </i></div><div><i>flatten the chicken into a </i>Wiener Schnitzel vom Huhn, or in Polish [<span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Kotlet drobiowy], </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">and cook it properly to the right temperature.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Ted</span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 5:27 PM Robert Primak via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
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On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 03:15:07 PM EDT, Mitchell I. Wolfe via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:
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<p>There's also the infamous "turkey drop" episode of the TV sitcom <strong>WKRP in Cincinnati.</strong> For example: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://www.primetimer.com/quickhits/the-infamous-wkrp-in-cincinnati-turkey-drop-episode" target="_blank">https://www.primetimer.com/quickhits/the-infamous-wkrp-in-cincinnati-turkey-drop-episode</a></p>
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<div>As I recall, Alan (and others), there used to be a test in which (hopefully dead) chickens were fired at aircraft windshields to test the windshields' integrity against bird strikes. Seriously. Maybe the test is still in use.
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