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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Turkeys CAN fly <a href="https://www.birdsandblooms.com/birding/birding-basics/wild-turkey-bird/">https://www.birdsandblooms.com/birding/birding-basics/wild-turkey-bird/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>There are about a dozen of them at Huckins Farm where I live<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+jjrudy1=comcast.net@lists.toku.us> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Primak via LCTG<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:50 PM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Alexander <mna.ma@yahoo.com>; Mitchell I. Wolfe <mwolfe@vinebrook.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Lex Computer Group <lctg@lists.toku.us><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Is physics useful?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><h1 style='margin:0in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D'>WKRP in Cincinnati S01E07 Turkeys Away</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D'><o:p></o:p></span></h1><h1 style='margin:0in;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D'><a href="https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6tug84" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;font-weight:normal'>https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6tug84</span></a></span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D'><o:p></o:p></span></h1></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'> I like the ending (0:35:00) .</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'>"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'>(For some reason, the video is mirrored left-right in this bootleg.) </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'>-- Bob Primak </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yahoo_quoted_5580255697"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 05:25:30 PM EDT, Robert Primak <<a href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=yiv7289575153><div><blockquote style='margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>There's also the infamous "turkey drop" episode of the TV sitcom <strong><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'>WKRP in Cincinnati.</span></strong> For example: <a href="https://www.primetimer.com/quickhits/the-infamous-wkrp-in-cincinnati-turkey-drop-episode" target="_blank"><span style='color:#196AD4'>https://www.primetimer.com/quickhits/the-infamous-wkrp-in-cincinnati-turkey-drop-episode</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>I was waiting for someone to reference that episode!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>-- Bob Primak<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv7289575153yahoo_quoted_6236089028"><div><div id=yiv7289575153yqt05269><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 03:15:07 PM EDT, Mitchell I. Wolfe via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=yiv7289575153><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>UTC used to use live turkeys to test aircraft engines, but switched to dead ones.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>There's also the infamous "turkey drop" episode of the TV sitcom <strong><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif'>WKRP in Cincinnati.</span></strong> For example: <a href="https://www.primetimer.com/quickhits/the-infamous-wkrp-in-cincinnati-turkey-drop-episode" target="_blank">https://www.primetimer.com/quickhits/the-infamous-wkrp-in-cincinnati-turkey-drop-episode</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>-- Mitch<o:p></o:p></span></p><p id=yiv7289575153reply-intro><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>On 2023-09-23 14:18, Michael Alexander via LCTG wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 5.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in'><div id=yiv7289575153replybody1><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>As I recall, Alan (and others), there used to be a test in which (hopefully dead) chickens were fired at aircraft windshields to test the windshields' integrity against bird strikes. Seriously. Maybe the test is still in use. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'> Mike Alexander<br><br><br><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS" target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv7289575153v1yahoo-quoted-begin style='margin-top:0in'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#715FFA'>On Saturday, September 23, 2023, 12:52 PM, Alan Millner via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div id=yiv7289575153v1yiv9873363154><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>My crude version of an old joke this brings to mind: <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>The British aircraft corporation, bringing their first large airliner to market, was anxious to satisfy American safety requirements. They noted a test for the windscreen to survive bird strikes. So, they assembled an air cannon, and bought a commercial turkey as a test object, and carefully calibrated the speed of the exiting bird to replicate the speed of the aircraft. When they fired the bird at the windshield, they were horrified to see the turkey crash through the windscreen, smash the back of the pilot's seat, and bury itself in the partition behind. They sent a panicky email to NASA asking for assistance with the problem. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>Nasa sent a three word reply:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>"Thaw the turkey." <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Alan Millner<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="mailto:amillner@alum.mit.edu">amillner@alum.mit.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>home 781-862-7893. cell 781-999-4346<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>48 North St., Lexington MA 02420<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'>On Sep 23, 2023, at 11:59 AM, Peter Albin via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Who is bringing the frozen chicken to the next POT-poor-i?</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 5.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Sep 23, 2023, at 11:34 AM, John Rudy via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;word-spacing:0px'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I knew I could trust you.</span><span style='color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Anyway, the chicken only needs to be heated to 150 degrees and a 2# chicken is really small</span><span style='color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor'><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>From:</span></strong><span class=yiv7289575153v1yiv9873363154apple-converted-space><span style='color:#26282A'> </span></span><span style='color:#26282A'>Charles Holbrow <<a href="mailto:chholbrow@gmail.com">chholbrow@gmail.com</a>><span class=yiv7289575153v1yiv9873363154apple-converted-space> </span><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong><span class=yiv7289575153v1yiv9873363154apple-converted-space> </span>Saturday, September 23, 2023 11:28 AM<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong><span class=yiv7289575153v1yiv9873363154apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Cc:</span></strong><span class=yiv7289575153v1yiv9873363154apple-converted-space> </span>Lex Computer Group <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>>; Colin Rudy <<a href="mailto:colinr1230@gmail.com">colinr1230@gmail.com</a>>; phil radoff <<a href="mailto:plradoff@yahoo.com">plradoff@yahoo.com</a>>; Mel Weinzimer <<a href="mailto:melweinzimer@yahoo.com">melweinzimer@yahoo.com</a>>; Karen Kalil Brown <<a href="mailto:kkalilbrown@hotmail.com">kkalilbrown@hotmail.com</a>>; George Starkschall <<a href="mailto:gstarkschall@gmail.com">gstarkschall@gmail.com</a>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong><span class=yiv7289575153v1yiv9873363154apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Is physics useful?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'>Heat capacity for 1 kg of water is almost 4200 J/kg/C. I would expect a frozen chicken to be mostly water, but maybe the chicken industry has experimentally determined the heat capacity of a chicken carcass.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'>This calculation does not include heat of fusion necessary to melt ice i.e. to defrost the frozen chicken.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'>Heat will be carried away from the warming chicken by vapor which will also include heat of vaporization which is big. The rate of heat loss will soon equal the rate it is being delivered by the slaps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'>Including all the physics will make for a much bigger number of slaps. That's a physics calculation. In addition, any self respecting engineer would provide a margin for error. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'>Of course you could build an apparatus that slaps the chicken in a closed environment so there is no heat loss while the chicken is being slapped. Then you will need to supply enough slap energy to heat that apparatus as well as the chicken.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'>Don't invest in this.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'>--Charlie<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'>On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 9:21 AM John Rudy via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor #cccccc'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#26282A'>The average person would not be able to do this, and wouldn't even care. But to me it is beauty. Of course I have not verified the numbers.</span><span style='color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>John Rudy</span><span style='color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>781-861-0402</span><span style='color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>781-718-8334 cell</span><span style='color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>13 Hawthorne Lane</span><span style='color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Bedford MA</span><span style='color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a></span><span style='color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#26282A'>===============================================<br>::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br>Reply goes to sender only; 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