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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">You are NOT committing any crime by using most evasion techniques available to the general public (not tech-savvy hackers).</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I don't know what Steve has or had in mind, but no one can take any legal actions against anyone for publicly discussing these tactics. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Please refer to You Tube's Terms of Use and Zoom's code of user conduct if in any further doubt. Other sites also have terms of use. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">-- Bob Primak</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 12:52:44 PM EST, Steve Isenberg via LCTG <lctg@lists.toku.us> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv8948318948"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148);" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><font size="4">Gentlepeople,</font></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><font size="4" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);">After much consideration, discussing with several people, and consulting with ChatGPT, I've decided <u>not</u> to demonstrate this. We can discuss the situation on Wednesday's Potpourri but I no longer feel comfortable giving a demonstration for legal reasons. My apologies.</font></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><font size="4" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);">I'm open to comments.<br clear="none"></font></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><font size="4" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);">-steve<br clear="none"></font></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><font size="4" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);"><br clear="none"></font></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><font size="4" style="color:rgb(11,83,148);">Here's what I've learned from ChatGPT:<br clear="none"></font></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;margin-left:40px;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><font style="color:rgb(11,83,148);" size="2">Steve asks ChatGPT:</font></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;margin-left:40px;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><font style="color:rgb(11,83,148);" size="2"><span style="font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:pre-wrap;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none;">suppose I have found a way to get around a paywall without paying or subscribing, or to get around a site's requirement to disable all ad blockers without disabling ad blockers, and I can do this only on my computer and without accessing or tampering with the website. Am I committing a crime or doing something that would subject me to a lawsuit or other legal action by the website owner?</span></font></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;margin-left:40px;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><font style="color:rgb(11,83,148);" size="2"><br clear="none"></font></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;margin-left:40px;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><font style="color:rgb(11,83,148);" size="2">ChatGPT responds (edited):</font></div><div style="margin-left:40px;"><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148);">Circumventing paywalls or other access restrictions without authorization may be a violation of the website's terms of service, which could potentially lead to legal consequences. Additionally, in some jurisdictions, such actions could be considered unauthorized access, hacking, or a violation of computer security laws.</span><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148);">If you find a way to bypass paywalls and other measures that protect the website content without permission, it may be seen as a violation of the website's rights and could result in legal action.</span><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148);"></span><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148);">I asked Aria the same question and it responds<span style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148);" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"> </span>(edited):</span></div><div style="margin-left:40px;"><span style="font-family:tahoma, sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148);">It's important to note that bypassing paywalls or circumventing a website's requirements without permission may be considered unethical or even illegal in some jurisdictions. Here are a few points to consider:</span><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:tahoma, sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148);">Websites have the right to protect their content and enforce their terms of service.</span><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:tahoma, sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148);">Unauthorized access to paid content or finding ways to bypass paywalls may violate copyright laws or terms of service agreements.</span><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:tahoma, sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148);">Engaging in such activities could potentially subject you to legal action by the website owner, such as a lawsuit or other legal consequences.</span></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;margin-left:40px;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><font style="color:rgb(11,83,148);" size="2"><span style="font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(247,247,248);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none;"><br clear="none"></span></font></div><div style="margin-left:40px;"><span style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;">Harry asked a similar question <span style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148);" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default">addressing only circumventing paywalls, </span>and got the response (edited):</span></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148);margin-left:40px;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2">Bypassing a
paywall of a website without a subscription could potentially be
considered a violation of the website's terms of service or terms of
use. It may also infringe upon copyright laws or other applicable laws,
depending on the jurisdiction. Engaging in such activities could
potentially have legal consequences, including the possibility of facing
legal action from the website owner. It is always advisable to respect
the terms and conditions set by website owners and to seek proper legal
means to access content.</font></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_default"><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div id="yiv8948318948yqt52937" class="yiv8948318948yqt5602738423"><div class="yiv8948318948gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="yiv8948318948gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 12:01 PM Robert Primak <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="yiv8948318948gmail_quote"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">The Boston Globe and the New York Times hide a lot of their content.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Then there's the somewhat more problematic case of You Tube.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">-- Bob Primak</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 08:25:34 AM EST, Steve Isenberg via LCTG <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv8948318948m_6154078701515852563yiv8990637082"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148);"><font size="4">Gentlepeople,</font></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148);"><font size="4">This Wednesday as part of the presentation I plan to show how to proceed to web sites that prevent you from accessing their content unless you (a) remove all of your ad-blockers, or (b) subscribe or pay to see the content (paywalls).</font></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148);"><font size="4">Could you send me (and not the list) the URL of sites you have run into that block your access, and I'll add them to the list I'll use as demonstrations.</font></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148);"><font size="4">Thanks,</font></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148);"><font size="4">-steve</font><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148);"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(11,83,148);"><br clear="none"></div></div>
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