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<p>To me, circumventing ads and gaining access to web content that
the web site spent resources to establish are two different
"beasts". I want access to the web content, so paying for it has
an ethical and, likely, a copyright aspect to it. I DID NOT
request a popup ad that requires that I must disable my ad-blocker
in order to gain access to the information I am seeking. My
assumption has been that the ad-blocker is present to eliminate
malware, viruses, etc. that may exist in the ad (am I incorrect in
this assumption?). Thus, I would like to learn how to circumvent
such ad-blocker turnoff requests without turning my ad-blocker
off! Incidentally, I have no (or maybe a little) problem with ads
that accompany the content I am wishing to peruse. I have lived
with this annoyance my whole life: radio, TV, newspapers,
magazines, web-site content, etc.</p>
<p>Dick<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/13/2023 2:23 PM, David Lees via
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<div>George,</div>
<div>Perhaps micropayments and whatever the software
infrastructure for them would be a good topic for an LCTG
talk? Maybe you have already had one of those in the past,
but hopefully, it is an area that is changing, because I know
they (the payment processing costs) used to be expensive.
But, agreed it would be great if you could pay a small amount
by the article rather than a subscription. I know for
technical articles, the cost per article is rather high for an
individual, but given the potential volume for news and mass
distribution material, why not have 25 or 50 cents per
article?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at
2:10 PM George Gamota <<a
href="mailto:ggamota@stma-llc.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ggamota@stma-llc.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
understand the ethics if you access a website a lot
bypassing paying, but what I find an issue, is when
you have one article that might be of interest, say
published by Kansas City Tribune. You don’t want to
pay and read articles published by them daily. So
maybe there could a payment say of $.50 to read that
one article.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Just a
thought</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">George</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> LCTG
<lctg-bounces+ggamota=<a
href="mailto:stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>carllazarus--- via LCTG<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 13, 2023 1:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'David Lees' <<a
href="mailto:joeoptics@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">joeoptics@gmail.com</a>>;
'Robert Primak' <<a
href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Lex Computer Group' <<a
href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>>;
'Steve Isenberg' <<a
href="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">smisenberg@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech
Group/LCTG] Looking for sites blocked by paywalls
or remove-ad-blockers</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Exactly my thought. We may be
talking about large entities such as the NY Times,
Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, etc. but if we
want them to continue to exist they need to be able to
pay their expenses and make some money.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">-- Carl</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> LCTG <<a
href="mailto:lctg-bounces+carllazarus=comcast.net@lists.toku.us"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">lctg-bounces+carllazarus=comcast.net@lists.toku.us</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Lees via LCTG<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 13, 2023 1:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert Primak <<a
href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lex Computer Group <<a
href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>>;
Steve Isenberg <<a
href="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">smisenberg@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech
Group/LCTG] Looking for sites blocked by paywalls or
remove-ad-blockers</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">You
could also discuss the ethical issues of not paying
for things that people trying to make a living are
doing?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">David Lees <br>
From Pixel 6 Pro</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 1:00 PM
Robert Primak via LCTG <<a
href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">You are
NOT committing any crime by using most
evasion techniques available to the
general public (not tech-savvy hackers).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">I don't
know what Steve has or had in mind, but no
one can take any legal actions against
anyone for publicly discussing these
tactics. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Please
refer to You Tube's Terms of Use and
Zoom's code of user conduct if in any
further doubt. Other sites also have terms
of use. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">-- Bob
Primak</span></p>
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)">On
Monday, November 13, 2023 at 12:52:44 PM
EST, Steve Isenberg via LCTG <<a
href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>>
wrote: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Gentlepeople,</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">After
much consideration, discussing
with several people, and
consulting with ChatGPT, I've
decided <u>not</u> to
demonstrate this. We can
discuss the situation on
Wednesday's Potpourri but I no
longer feel comfortable giving a
demonstration for legal
reasons. My apologies.</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I'm
open to comments.</span><span
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style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">-steve</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Here's
what I've learned from ChatGPT:</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Steve
asks ChatGPT:</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">suppose
I have found a way to get around
a paywall without paying or
subscribing, or to get around a
site's requirement to disable
all ad blockers without
disabling ad blockers, and I can
do this only on my computer and
without accessing or tampering
with the website. Am I
committing a crime or doing
something that would subject me
to a lawsuit or other legal
action by the website owner?</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">ChatGPT
responds (edited):</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Circumventing
paywalls or other access
restrictions without
authorization may be a violation
of the website's terms of
service, which could potentially
lead to legal consequences.
Additionally, in some
jurisdictions, such actions
could be considered unauthorized
access, hacking, or a violation
of computer security laws.</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">If
you find a way to bypass
paywalls and other measures that
protect the website content
without permission, it may be
seen as a violation of the
website's rights and could
result in legal action.</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)"><br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I
asked Aria the same question and
it responds</span><span
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</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">(edited):</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">It's
important to note that bypassing
paywalls or circumventing a
website's requirements without
permission may be considered
unethical or even illegal in
some jurisdictions. Here are a
few points to consider:</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Websites
have the right to protect their
content and enforce their terms
of service.</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Unauthorized
access to paid content or
finding ways to bypass paywalls
may violate copyright laws or
terms of service agreements.</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Engaging
in such activities could
potentially subject you to legal
action by the website owner,
such as a lawsuit or other legal
consequences.</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Harry
asked a similar question </span><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">addressing
only circumventing paywalls, </span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">and
got the response (edited):</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Bypassing
a paywall of a website without a
subscription could potentially
be considered a violation of the
website's terms of service or
terms of use. It may also
infringe upon copyright laws or
other applicable laws, depending
on the jurisdiction. Engaging in
such activities could
potentially have legal
consequences, including the
possibility of facing legal
action from the website owner.
It is always advisable to
respect the terms and conditions
set by website owners and to
seek proper legal means to
access content.</span><span
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)">On
Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 12:01 PM
Robert Primak <<a
href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)">The
Boston Globe and the New
York Times hide a lot of
their content.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)">Then
there's the somewhat
more problematic case of
You Tube.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:rgb(38,40,42)">--
Bob Primak</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On
Monday, November 13,
2023 at 08:25:34 AM
EST, Steve Isenberg
via LCTG <<a
href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Gentlepeople,</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">This
Wednesday as
part of the
presentation I
plan to show how
to proceed to
web sites that
prevent you from
accessing their
content unless
you (a) remove
all of your
ad-blockers, or
(b) subscribe or
pay to see the
content
(paywalls).</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Could
you send me (and
not the list)
the URL of sites
you have run
into that block
your access, and
I'll add them to
the list I'll
use as
demonstrations.</span><span
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