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<p>Oftentimes the textual content actually has been downloaded into the browser but Javascript is blocking display.</p>
<p>You can use a browser plug-in extension or similar tool as Steve suggested to just show the text without images and other clutter. Before complex multi-media content, people used to use the legacy <a href="https://lynx.invisible-island.net/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Lynx text web browser</a> which probably still works.</p>
<p>Alternatively I've used the <a href="https://www.textise.net/Bookmarklet.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Textise Bookmarklet</a> tool. You add the special bookmark to your browser by following the instructions. A page is redisplayed as text when you click on the bookmark.</p>
<p>Newspapers, magazine, and other periodicals are often available at your local library both as hardcopy or online to patrons. The Lexington Cary Library gets a good deal on online subscriptions because they often pay on a town population basis but the library is the second busiest in the state.</p>
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<p>On 2023-11-13 15:36, Steve Isenberg via LCTG wrote:</p>
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<div class="v1v1gmail_default" style="font-family: trebuchet ms,sans-serif; font-size: small; color: #0b5394;">My issue/concern/complaint is not that I want to prevent the site from displaying advertisements, as really I do try to disable all advertisement-preventing plugins (that is, ad-blockers) to let the site display advertisements. But while I think I've disabled all of them, the site complains that I still have some open and active.</div>
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<div class="v1v1gmail_default" style="font-family: trebuchet ms,sans-serif; font-size: small; color: #0b5394;">Now if the site were to be specific and tell me that I still have the XYZ ad-blocking software active, I could then get this XYZ turned off.</div>
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<div class="v1v1gmail_default" style="font-family: trebuchet ms,sans-serif; font-size: small; color: #0b5394;">But it's a guessing game as the site is saying to me "you haven't turned them all off. I know this in ways I'm not going to tell you and I may even know which one(s) you haven't turned off, but it is up to you to figure out which one(s) and turn it or them off."</div>
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<p>To me, circumventing ads and gaining access to web content that the web site spent resources to establish are two different "beasts". I want access to the web content, so paying for it has an ethical and, likely, a copyright aspect to it. I DID NOT request a popup ad that requires that I must disable my ad-blocker in order to gain access to the information I am seeking. My assumption has been that the ad-blocker is present to eliminate malware, viruses, etc. that may exist in the ad (am I incorrect in this assumption?). Thus, I would like to learn how to circumvent such ad-blocker turnoff requests without turning my ad-blocker off! Incidentally, I have no (or maybe a little) problem with ads that accompany the content I am wishing to peruse. I have lived with this annoyance my whole life: radio, TV, newspapers, magazines, web-site content, etc.</p>
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<div>Perhaps micropayments and whatever the software infrastructure for them would be a good topic for an LCTG talk? Maybe you have already had one of those in the past, but hopefully, it is an area that is changing, because I know they (the payment processing costs) used to be expensive. But, agreed it would be great if you could pay a small amount by the article rather than a subscription. I know for technical articles, the cost per article is rather high for an individual, but given the potential volume for news and mass distribution material, why not have 25 or 50 cents per article?</div>
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<p class="v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #26282a;">On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 08:25:34 AM EST, Steve Isenberg via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" rel="noreferrer">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote: </span></p>
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<p class="v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; color: #0b5394;">Gentlepeople,</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; color: #0b5394;"></span></p>
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<p class="v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; color: #0b5394;">This Wednesday as part of the presentation I plan to show how to proceed to web sites that prevent you from accessing their content unless you (a) remove all of your ad-blockers, or (b) subscribe or pay to see the content (paywalls).</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; color: #0b5394;"></span></p>
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<p class="v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; color: #0b5394;">Could you send me (and not the list) the URL of sites you have run into that block your access, and I'll add them to the list I'll use as demonstrations.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif; color: #0b5394;"></span></p>
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