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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Exactly my thought. We may be talking about large entities such as the NY Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, etc. but if we want them to continue to exist they need to be able to pay their expenses and make some money.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-- Carl<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+carllazarus=comcast.net@lists.toku.us> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Lees via LCTG<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 13, 2023 1:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> Robert Primak <bobprimak@yahoo.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Lex Computer Group <lctg@lists.toku.us>; Steve Isenberg <smisenberg@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Looking for sites blocked by paywalls or remove-ad-blockers<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>You could also discuss the ethical issues of not paying for things that people trying to make a living are doing?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>David Lees <br>From Pixel 6 Pro<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 1:00 PM Robert Primak via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>You are NOT committing any crime by using most evasion techniques available to the general public (not tech-savvy hackers).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>I don't know what Steve has or had in mind, but no one can take any legal actions against anyone for publicly discussing these tactics. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Please refer to You Tube's Terms of Use and Zoom's code of user conduct if in any further doubt. Other sites also have terms of use. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>-- Bob Primak<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="m_-7722894219360314806yahoo_quoted_0479514213"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 12:52:44 PM EST, Steve Isenberg via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id="m_-7722894219360314806yiv8948318948"><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Gentlepeople,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>After much consideration, discussing with several people, and consulting with ChatGPT, I've decided <u>not</u> to demonstrate this. We can discuss the situation on Wednesday's Potpourri but I no longer feel comfortable giving a demonstration for legal reasons. My apologies.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>I'm open to comments.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>-steve</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Here's what I've learned from ChatGPT:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Steve asks ChatGPT:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>suppose I have found a way to get around a paywall without paying or subscribing, or to get around a site's requirement to disable all ad blockers without disabling ad blockers, and I can do this only on my computer and without accessing or tampering with the website. Am I committing a crime or doing something that would subject me to a lawsuit or other legal action by the website owner?</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>ChatGPT responds (edited):</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Circumventing paywalls or other access restrictions without authorization may be a violation of the website's terms of service, which could potentially lead to legal consequences. Additionally, in some jurisdictions, such actions could be considered unauthorized access, hacking, or a violation of computer security laws.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>If you find a way to bypass paywalls and other measures that protect the website content without permission, it may be seen as a violation of the website's rights and could result in legal action.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>I asked Aria the same question and it responds</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>(edited):</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>It's important to note that bypassing paywalls or circumventing a website's requirements without permission may be considered unethical or even illegal in some jurisdictions. Here are a few points to consider:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Websites have the right to protect their content and enforce their terms of service.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Unauthorized access to paid content or finding ways to bypass paywalls may violate copyright laws or terms of service agreements.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Engaging in such activities could potentially subject you to legal action by the website owner, such as a lawsuit or other legal consequences.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Harry asked a similar question </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>addressing only circumventing paywalls, </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>and got the response (edited):</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Bypassing a paywall of a website without a subscription could potentially be considered a violation of the website's terms of service or terms of use. It may also infringe upon copyright laws or other applicable laws, depending on the jurisdiction. Engaging in such activities could potentially have legal consequences, including the possibility of facing legal action from the website owner. It is always advisable to respect the terms and conditions set by website owners and to seek proper legal means to access content.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="m_-7722894219360314806yiv8948318948yqt52937"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 12:01 PM Robert Primak <<a href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" target="_blank">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>The Boston Globe and the New York Times hide a lot of their content.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Then there's the somewhat more problematic case of You Tube.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>-- Bob Primak<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="m_-7722894219360314806yiv8948318948m_6154078701515852563yahoo_quoted_0393899464"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 08:25:34 AM EST, Steve Isenberg via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id="m_-7722894219360314806yiv8948318948m_6154078701515852563yiv8990637082"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Gentlepeople,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>This Wednesday as part of the presentation I plan to show how to proceed to web sites that prevent you from accessing their content unless you (a) remove all of your ad-blockers, or (b) subscribe or pay to see the content (paywalls).</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Could you send me (and not the list) the URL of sites you have run into that block your access, and I'll add them to the list I'll use as demonstrations.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Thanks,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>-steve</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span 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