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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-size: 13px;"><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Drew -- </span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-size: 13px;"><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-size: 13px;"><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">>If I happen to come upon an article that I want to read on a protected paywall website I will typically go around it. I just >wouldn't do it everyday.</span></span><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-size: 13px;"><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-size: 13px;"><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Most sites with paywalls do offer two to five "free trial" articles before invoking their paywalls.</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-size: 13px;"><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-size: 13px;"><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Carl -- </span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-size: 13px;"><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><font size="2" style="background-color: inherit;">>It is possible for a website to sell individual articles. The credit card processing fees are not so great as to prevent this.</font></span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><font size="2" style="background-color: inherit;"><br></font></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><font size="2" style="background-color: inherit;">You'd be surprised how high the processing fees at the site owner's end can get in real life. Not an option for smaller sites. Personally, I don't want a whole string of micro-charges showing up on my bank or credit card statements, on paper or online or in a banking app. Too much of an accounting headache. </font></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><font size="2" style="background-color: inherit;"><br></font></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><font size="2" style="background-color: inherit;">An unauthorized micro-charge can be the first indicator of fraud or identity theft. I don't want these potential red flags to propagate due to web site micro-fees. I feel very differently about per-episode charges in my Cable Service or streaming device billing, since these are aggregated monthly under an umbrella statement online or in the main service's app. The same applies to electronic payment of tolls through EZDrive. Micro-charges are itemized within an aggregated monthly billing statement. Including the aggravating "paper bill" fee. </font></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><font size="2" style="background-color: inherit;"><br></font></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><span style="background-color: inherit; font-size: small; font-family: sans-serif;">Subscriptions are singular monthly fees, which are much easier to account for in a running ledger. I have paid services, including charging my plug-in hybrid car, which have micro-charges per use, and it's a real pain dealing with all the ledger clutter these frequent, small charges can generate in a month. </span><br></div><div style="font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div style="" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><font size="2" style="background-color: inherit;">>Apple News offers a subscription service for $0.99 per month that claims to give you access to 300 different publications. </font></span><br></div><div style="" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><font size="2" style="background-color: inherit;"><br></font></span></div><div style="" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><font size="2" style="background-color: inherit;">So do a lot of RSS feeds and News Aggregator apps or services. Pricing (or free access) varies. RSS services have been endangered for decades due to paywalls and increasing numbers of per-use micro-fees and restrictions, similar to the publisher fees and restrictions for e-books. </font></span></div><div style="" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><font size="2" style="background-color: inherit;"><br></font></span></div><div style="" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><font size="2" style="background-color: inherit;">-- Bob Primak <br></font></span></div><div style="" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span style="font-family: sans-serif;"><font size="2" style="background-color: inherit;"><br></font></span></div>
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On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 08:39:54 PM EST, Drew King (dking65--- via LCTG <lctg@lists.toku.us> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv1198178760"><div><div>For me using a particular ad blocking feature such as getting rid of tracking devices on websites is a good thing and should be okay it's just that they're normally mixed in with ad blocking technology.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Companies like YouTube charge I think 12 or $13 per month to not see advertisements and that's a lot of money for somebody who watches one video a month or every few months. If I watched videos every day I could understand paying something less than $13 but being an occasional user I'm not impacting their bottom line at all by blocking advertising in the one video I watch every few months.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Block in moderation.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Most of my ad blocking or my initial ad blocking is at the network level by having my VPN block ads. An extra feature my VPN has. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Some websites are out of control and have excessive advertising that hinders your ability to enjoy the website. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">If I were a regular reader of a particular newspaper I would subscribe as a regular customer as I do for the Sarasota Herald Tribune.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">If I happen to come upon an article that I want to read on a protected paywall website I will typically go around it. I just wouldn't do it everyday. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">It would be expensive if you subscribed to a half a dozen newspapers just to read an article every now and then on their website. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">The iPhone is the most popular smartphone in the United States and it does not have the capability to block advertising the way a desktop operating system can or an Android phone can. The iPhone and the iPad are two platforms that are highly susceptible to tracking and vicious advertising. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Neither Apple or Google allows apps in their app stores that do aggressive ad blocking. My VPN company provides an Android app that does ad blocking directly from their website bypassing the Google Play app store. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">One of the reasons I dislike the idea of owning Apple products is my choice to block or not block advertising is often taken away. You do not have the freedom to choose like you do on the Android platform. <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><div class="yiv1198178760k9mail-signature">-- <br clear="none">Drew King<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv1198178760yqt19158" class="yiv1198178760yqt5522705209"><div class="yiv1198178760gmail_quote"><div>On November 13, 2023 5:32:47 PM EST, Dick Miller via LCTG <lctg@lists.toku.us> wrote:</div><blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;" class="yiv1198178760gmail_quote">
<font face="DejaVu Serif">Whoops! Mitch beat me to it. (Well done,
Mitch!) Let libraries go modern!</font><br clear="none">
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<font face="DejaVu Serif,Times New Roman,times,serif" color="#000000"> Cheers from<br clear="none">
--Dick Miller, Partner, MMS <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:TheMillers@millermicro.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:TheMillers@millermicro.com" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">TheMillers@millermicro.com</a>><br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1198178760moz-cite-prefix">On 11/13/23 16:32, Mitchell I. Wolfe
via LCTG wrote:<br clear="none">
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</blockquote></div><div><p>Oftentimes the textual content actually has been downloaded
into the browser but Javascript is blocking display.</p>
<p>You can use a browser plug-in extension or similar tool as
Steve suggested to just show the text without images and other
clutter. Before complex multi-media content, people used to use
the legacy <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lynx.invisible-island.net/">Lynx text web browser</a> which
probably still works.</p>
<p>Alternatively I've used the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.textise.net/Bookmarklet.aspx">Textise Bookmarklet</a> tool. You add
the special bookmark to your browser by following the
instructions. A page is redisplayed as text when you click on
the bookmark.</p>
<p>Newspapers, magazine, and other periodicals are often available
at your local library both as hardcopy or online to patrons. The
Lexington Cary Library gets a good deal on online subscriptions
because they often pay on a town population basis but the
library is the second busiest in the state.</p>
<p>Support your local library...</p>
<p>-- Mitch</p>
<p>On 2023-11-13 15:36, Steve Isenberg via LCTG wrote:</p>
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<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_default">The
ad-blocker works to detect and block advertisements on the
pages you are viewing. It does not check the content for
anything, doesn't block any malware or viruses (that's the
job of antivirus software).</div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_default"> </div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_default">Site
owners don't like ad-blockers because the site owners earn
money when advertisements are displayed on the page (and
especially when/if you click on the advertisement) and by
blocking advertisements on a page they are not getting any
of this potential money.</div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_default"> </div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_default">My
issue/concern/complaint is not that I want to prevent the
site from displaying advertisements, as really I do try to
disable all advertisement-preventing plugins (that is,
ad-blockers) to let the site display advertisements. But
while I think I've disabled all of them, the site
complains that I still have some open and active.</div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_default"> </div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_default">Now
if the site were to be specific and tell me that I still
have the XYZ ad-blocking software active, I could then get
this XYZ turned off.</div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_default"> </div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_default">But
it's a guessing game as the site is saying to me "you
haven't turned them all off. I know this in ways I'm not
going to tell you and I may even know which one(s) you
haven't turned off, but it is up to you to figure out
which one(s) and turn it or them off."</div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_default"> </div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_default">Tip:
I have had some measure of success seeing content using
the Reader mode on my iPhone and the Tranquility!
extension on my MacOS systems Firefox browser.</div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_default"> </div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_default">Regards,</div>
<div style="font-family:trebuchet ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_default">-steve</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 13, 2023
at 3:10 PM Richard Wagner via LCTG <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<p>Oops! I meant the malware, viruses, etc. in the
content I am trying to access, not necessarily that
exists in an ad that may be present. Sorry!</p>
<p>Dick</p>
<div>On 11/13/2023 2:53 PM, Richard Wagner via LCTG
wrote:</div>
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<p>To me, circumventing ads and gaining access to web
content that the web site spent resources to
establish are two different "beasts". I want access
to the web content, so paying for it has an ethical
and, likely, a copyright aspect to it. I DID NOT
request a popup ad that requires that I must disable
my ad-blocker in order to gain access to the
information I am seeking. My assumption has been
that the ad-blocker is present to eliminate malware,
viruses, etc. that may exist in the ad (am I
incorrect in this assumption?). Thus, I would like
to learn how to circumvent such ad-blocker turnoff
requests without turning my ad-blocker off!
Incidentally, I have no (or maybe a little) problem
with ads that accompany the content I am wishing to
peruse. I have lived with this annoyance my whole
life: radio, TV, newspapers, magazines, web-site
content, etc.</p>
<p>Dick</p>
<div>On 11/13/2023 2:23 PM, David Lees via LCTG wrote:</div>
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<div>George,</div>
<div>Perhaps micropayments and whatever the
software infrastructure for them would be a good
topic for an LCTG talk? Maybe you have already
had one of those in the past, but hopefully, it
is an area that is changing, because I know they
(the payment processing costs) used to be
expensive. But, agreed it would be great if you
could pay a small amount by the article rather
than a subscription. I know for technical
articles, the cost per article is rather high
for an individual, but given the potential
volume for news and mass distribution material,
why not have 25 or 50 cents per article?</div>
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<div>David Lees</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="yiv1198178760v1v1gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov
13, 2023 at 2:10 PM George Gamota <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ggamota@stma-llc.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ggamota@stma-llc.com" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">ggamota@stma-llc.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:#1f497d;">I understand the ethics if you
access a website a lot bypassing
paying, but what I find an issue, is
when you have one article that might
be of interest, say published by
Kansas City Tribune. You don't want to
pay and read articles published by
them daily. So maybe there could a
payment say of $.50 to read that one
article.</span></p>
<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:#1f497d;">Just a thought</span></p>
<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:#1f497d;">George</span></p>
<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong>
LCTG <lctg-bounces+ggamota=<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us</a>>
<strong>On Behalf Of </strong>carllazarus---
via LCTG<br clear="none">
<strong>Sent:</strong> Monday,
November 13, 2023 1:17 PM<br clear="none">
<strong>To:</strong> 'David Lees'
<<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:joeoptics@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:joeoptics@gmail.com" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">joeoptics@gmail.com</a>>;
'Robert Primak' <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>><br clear="none">
<strong>Cc:</strong> 'Lex Computer
Group' <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>>;
'Steve Isenberg' <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">smisenberg@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none">
<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Lex
Computer & Tech Group/LCTG]
Looking for sites blocked by
paywalls or remove-ad-blockers</p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal">Exactly my
thought. We may be talking about large
entities such as the NY Times,
Washington Post, Wall Street Journal,
etc. but if we want them to continue to
exist they need to be able to pay their
expenses and make some money.</p>
<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal">-- Carl</p>
<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"> </p>
<div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:#e1e1e1 currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in;">
<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong>
LCTG <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg-bounces+carllazarus=comcast.net@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg-bounces+carllazarus=comcast.net@lists.toku.us" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">lctg-bounces+carllazarus=comcast.net@lists.toku.us</a>>
<strong>On Behalf Of </strong>David
Lees via LCTG<br clear="none">
<strong>Sent:</strong> Monday,
November 13, 2023 1:12 PM<br clear="none">
<strong>To:</strong> Robert Primak
<<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>><br clear="none">
<strong>Cc:</strong> Lex Computer
Group <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>>;
Steve Isenberg <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">smisenberg@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none">
<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Lex
Computer & Tech Group/LCTG]
Looking for sites blocked by paywalls
or remove-ad-blockers</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12pt;" class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal">You could
also discuss the ethical issues of not
paying for things that people trying
to make a living are doing?</p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal">David Lees <br clear="none">
From Pixel 6 Pro</p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov
13, 2023, 1:00 PM Robert Primak via
LCTG <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';">You are NOT
committing any crime by
using most evasion
techniques available to the
general public (not
tech-savvy hackers).</span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';"> </span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';">I don't know
what Steve has or had in
mind, but no one can take
any legal actions against
anyone for publicly
discussing these tactics. </span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';"> </span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';">Please refer to
You Tube's Terms of Use and
Zoom's code of user conduct
if in any further doubt.
Other sites also have terms
of use. </span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';"> </span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:#26282a;">On
Monday, November 13, 2023
at 12:52:44 PM EST, Steve
Isenberg via LCTG <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote: </span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">Gentlepeople,</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">After
much
consideration,
discussing with
several people,
and consulting
with ChatGPT, I've
decided <u>not</u>
to demonstrate
this. We can
discuss the
situation on
Wednesday's
Potpourri but I no
longer feel
comfortable giving
a demonstration
for legal
reasons. My
apologies.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#26282a;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">I'm
open to comments.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#26282a;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">-steve</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#26282a;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">Here's
what I've learned
from ChatGPT:</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#26282a;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">Steve
asks ChatGPT:</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#26282a;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">suppose
I have found a way
to get around a
paywall without
paying or
subscribing, or to
get around a
site's requirement
to disable all ad
blockers without
disabling ad
blockers, and I
can do this only
on my computer and
without accessing
or tampering with
the website. Am I
committing a crime
or doing something
that would subject
me to a lawsuit or
other legal action
by the website
owner?</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#26282a;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#26282a;"> </span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">ChatGPT
responds (edited):</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#26282a;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">Circumventing
paywalls or other
access
restrictions
without
authorization may
be a violation of
the website's
terms of service,
which could
potentially lead
to legal
consequences.
Additionally, in
some
jurisdictions,
such actions could
be considered
unauthorized
access, hacking,
or a violation of
computer security
laws.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:#26282a;"><br clear="none">
</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">If
you find a way to
bypass paywalls
and other measures
that protect the
website content
without
permission, it may
be seen as a
violation of the
website's rights
and could result
in legal action.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:#26282a;"><br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">I
asked Aria the
same question and
it responds</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">
</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">(edited):</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:#26282a;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Tahoma', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">It's
important to note
that bypassing
paywalls or
circumventing a
website's
requirements
without permission
may be considered
unethical or even
illegal in some
jurisdictions.
Here are a few
points to
consider:</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:#26282a;"><br clear="none">
</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Tahoma', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">Websites
have the right to
protect their
content and
enforce their
terms of service.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:#26282a;"><br clear="none">
</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Tahoma', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">Unauthorized
access to paid
content or finding
ways to bypass
paywalls may
violate copyright
laws or terms of
service
agreements.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:#26282a;"><br clear="none">
</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Tahoma', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">Engaging
in such activities
could potentially
subject you to
legal action by
the website owner,
such as a lawsuit
or other legal
consequences.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:#26282a;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#26282a;"> </span></p>
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<div style="margin-left:30pt;">
<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">Harry
asked a similar
question </span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">addressing
only circumventing
paywalls, </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">and
got the response
(edited):</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:#26282a;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Verdana', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">Bypassing
a paywall of a
website without a
subscription could
potentially be
considered a
violation of the
website's terms of
service or terms
of use. It may
also infringe upon
copyright laws or
other applicable
laws, depending on
the jurisdiction.
Engaging in such
activities could
potentially have
legal
consequences,
including the
possibility of
facing legal
action from the
website owner. It
is always
advisable to
respect the terms
and conditions set
by website owners
and to seek proper
legal means to
access content.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:#26282a;">On
Mon, Nov 13,
2023 at 12:01 PM
Robert Primak
<<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:#26282a;">The
Boston Globe
and the New
York Times
hide a lot of
their content.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:#26282a;">Then
there's the
somewhat more
problematic
case of You
Tube.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica Neue';color:#26282a;">--
Bob Primak</span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Helvetica', sans-serif;color:#26282a;">On
Monday,
November 13,
2023 at
08:25:34 AM
EST, Steve
Isenberg via
LCTG <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" class="yiv1198178760moz-txt-link-freetext">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote: </span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">Gentlepeople,</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">This
Wednesday as
part of the
presentation I
plan to show
how to proceed
to web sites
that prevent
you from
accessing
their content
unless you (a)
remove all of
your
ad-blockers,
or (b)
subscribe or
pay to see the
content
(paywalls).</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">Could
you send me
(and not the
list) the URL
of sites you
have run into
that block
your access,
and I'll add
them to the
list I'll use
as
demonstrations.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">Thanks,</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv1198178760v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;">-steve</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;color:#0b5394;"></span></p>
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