<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="4" color="#0b5394">Mike,<br><br><b>Harry asks:</b><br>In the renaissance, did artists' models have to hold still for long periods of time?</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="4" color="#0b5394"><br><b>ChatGPT responds:</b><br>Yes, during the Renaissance, artists often relied on live models to create their works, especially for figure drawing and portraiture. Models, whether they were professional hired models or individuals from the community, would typically pose for extended periods of time while artists sketched, painted, or sculpted their likenesses.<br><br>The process could be quite demanding for models, as they were required to hold specific poses for extended durations to allow artists to capture the details and nuances of the human form. This practice was essential for achieving accuracy and realism in the artwork.<br><br>To help models maintain their poses, artists sometimes used various devices, such as wooden mannequins or supports, to assist them in holding specific positions. Additionally, artists might have assistants or apprentices who helped with mixing paints, preparing materials, and supporting the model during the process.<br><br>The use of live models for artistic representation has been a common practice throughout art history, not limited to the Renaissance. It continues to be employed in various forms by artists today, although contemporary artists may also utilize photography and other technologies to aid in their work.</font></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="text-align:left"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="2"><font color="#0b5394"><br></font></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><br></div><table cellspacing="5" cellpadding="5" style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238);margin-left:0px;margin-right:auto"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font-size:10pt"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.forsdick.com/resume/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">Harry Forsdick</a><br><a href="http://lexingtonphotoscan.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">Lexington Photo Scanning</a><br><a href="http://lexingtontmma.org/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">Town Meeting Member Precinct 7</a><br><a href="mailto:harry@forsdick.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">harry@forsdick.com</a><br></font><a href="http://www.forsdick.com/" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">www.forsdick.com</a><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></td><td width="5"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"> </font></td><td valign="top" style="font-size:10pt"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><a href="https://goo.gl/xZXT2F" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">46 Burlington St.<br>Lexington, MA 02420</a><br><a href="callto:17817996002" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">(781) 799-6002 (mobile)</a><br><font color="#0b5394"><a href="http://meet.jit.si/HarryForsdick" target="_blank">meet.jit.si/HarryForsdick</a> (video)</font><br><a href="http://forsdick.weebly.com/home/my-websites" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">Click</a> to see my other websites<br></font></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 3:07 PM Michael Alexander via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
Ted’s post reminds me: During Harry’s presentation, I was troubled by what seemed to me to be the assumption that artist’s models posed, inertly, for superhumanly long times, and that detail in the paintings was quasi-photographic.<div><br></div><div>Couldn’t artists have sort of filled in (invented) details after making “good enough” sketches or initial paintings? It would be analogous to what is done in the writing of historical novels (the novelist “fills in” things where the historical record is hazy or incomplete).</div><div><br></div><div> – Mike Alexander<br><br><br><br><br><p style="font-size:15px;color:rgb(113,95,250);padding-top:15px;margin-top:0px">On Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 12:35 PM, Ted Kochanski via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote><div id="m_2195260568798323573yiv5772846454"><div><div dir="ltr">All,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>A most unusual topic and most interesting -- we should have more of these mixed into the more typical material</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Ted</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>By the way another obscure aspect of art is how do you get the model to pose in challenging postures for extended time -- or do you need a photo.</div><div>An excellent example is one of my favorite pix at the MFA -- a huge 19th C French Academy painting <b><i>Automedon with the Horses of Achilles -- </i></b>1868 by the obscure French academic painter Henri Regnault (French, 1843–1871) -- currently on view in The Beal Gallery (Gallery 251) {French 19th C but not impressionists}</div><div><span style="font-size:x-small"><br clear="none"></span></div>MEDIUM/TECHNIQUE Oil on canvas<br clear="none">DIMENSIONS 315 x 329 cm (124 x 129 1/2 in.)<br clear="none">CREDIT LINE Museum purchase with funds donated by contribution<br clear="none">ACCESSION NUMBER 90.152<div><br clear="none"><div><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://collections.mfa.org/objects/31014" target="_blank">https://collections.mfa.org/objects/31014</a></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>When you see Automedon, Achilles' charioteer, holding the bridal of one of Achilles', massive chariot horses -- supernaturally charged-up and ready for the final showdown at Troy -- there is an Arnold Swartzeneger-like definition of the muscles involved under such amazing tension beginning at the ankle up the leg and through the chest through the shoulder and up the arm to the forearm. To achieve that pose, the model must have been almost suspended by one arm. Even if the painter was very fast in sketching, or if there was photographic assistance -- I hope that the model got paid well -- I feel the pain everytime I look at the painting.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Ted</div></div></div><br clear="none"><div><div id="m_2195260568798323573yiv5772846454yqt51857"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 1:43 PM Jonathan Goode via Lctg-others <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:lctg-others@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg-others@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">
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