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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3"><font color="#4c76a2"><b>Harry:</b> </font>"<span><span style="color: rgb(11, 83, 148); font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: large;">This headline makes JAMA Pediatrics look like they don't understand what is going on in the AI world these days where improvements are happening quickly."</span></span></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">Or maybe they were being very conservative. Also, the study may have been done some time earlier. </font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">And yes, Mike, the models could point you in the wrong direction. Expert models also need humans to make sure the results make sense. </font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><font size="3">-- Bob Primak </font></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div style="font-size: 13px;"><br></div>
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On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 11:08:18 AM EST, Harry Forsdick <forsdick@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="3">(1) This was ChatGPT 3.5. ChatGPT 4.0 might have done better. BARD, with its more up to date and broader training data might have done better still.</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br clear="none"></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3">(2) These LLMs are general purpose, and are not designed to deal with specific, technical material. So of course they are not (yet) very good at making medical diagnoses. To expect otherwise is like asking WebMD to be your Primary Care Physician. Results may vary, to say the least! </font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br clear="none"></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3">What LLM models can do, is point you toward possible diagnoses, and maybe suggest a diagnosis which you might not have considered. Then a trained and experienced clinician can narrow down the choices. This way the LLM has reduced the possibilities and helped direct the inquiry. Time can be saved in this way. Sometimes this is a good practice, sometimes not so much. </font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br clear="none"></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3">-- Bob Primak</font> </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></div>
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On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 10:31:19 AM EST, Slater Nancy via LCTG <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv2703468170m_-577412808270716530yiv4483782826"><div><div style="font-family:Myriad, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin:7px 0pt 10px;line-height:28px;"><h3 style="margin:20px 0px 2px;font-size:22px;line-height:36px;">ChatGPT gave the wrong diagnosis for the majority of pediatric cases</h3><p style="margin:0px;"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://mailview.bulletinhealthcare.com/mailview.aspx?m=2024010301ama&r=4756748-1a09&l=030-2c0&t=c" style="color:rgb(52,170,236);text-decoration:none;font-weight:600;">MedPage Today</a> (1/2, Henderson ) reports, “A large language model-based chatbot gave the wrong diagnosis for the majority of pediatric cases, researchers found.” According to the study, “ChatGPT version 3.5 reached an incorrect diagnosis in 83 out of 100 pediatric case challenges. Among the incorrect diagnoses, 72 were actually incorrect and 11 were clinically related to the correct diagnosis but too broad to be considered correct.” The <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://mailview.bulletinhealthcare.com/mailview.aspx?m=2024010301ama&r=4756748-1a09&l=031-14e&t=c" style="color:rgb(52,170,236);text-decoration:none;font-weight:600;">findings</a> were published in JAMA Pediatrics.</p></div><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" name="m_-577412808270716530_Salso_in_the_news" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Myriad, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"></a><span style="font-family:Myriad, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:medium;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"></span><br clear="none"></div></div>===============================================<br clear="none">::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br clear="none">Reply goes to sender only; Reply All to send to list.<br clear="none">Send to the list: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a> Message archives: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/">http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/</a><br clear="none">To subscribe: email <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us">lctg-subscribe@toku.us</a> To unsubscribe: email <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us">lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us</a><br clear="none">Future and Past meeting information: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://LCTG.toku.us">http://LCTG.toku.us</a><br clear="none">List information: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us">http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us</a><br clear="none">This message was sent to <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com." target="_blank" href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com.">bobprimak@yahoo.com.</a><br clear="none">Set your list options: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/bobprimak@yahoo.com">http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/bobprimak@yahoo.com</a><br clear="none"></div>
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