<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">You're correct (mostly) Dan. Energy is Milli-amp hours, mAh, however. You're right in the inefficiency, as the 10000 mAh battery packs I have only supply 6000-7000mAh, some even less.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">There are indeed USB cables that don't let data pass; you can't tell by looking at them (someone correct me if I'm wrong); the documentation might say power-only, otherwise you can try connecting them to your computer and see if you can access the data on the device (you can't if the cable is power-only). <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">-steve<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 4:58 PM Daniel Silber <<a href="mailto:dasilber@gmail.com">dasilber@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello Denise,<div><br></div><div>I'll kick in my own two cents: I like a battery that is about the size of my cell phone, that way I can use a rubber band to hold the two together and charge the phone while using it. I also like a built-in LED flashlight when traveling.</div><div><br></div><div>If you're not in a big hurry, I don't think the rate of charging matters much. You just want your backup powerbank to have enough energy (milliwatt-hours) to charge up your battery once or a few times. I'm no expert, but I imagine that the process is not 100% efficient, so you don't get out the full battery capacity. </div><div><br></div><div>On another issue, I'm no expert, but I have some USB cables that don't transmit data, just power (from the rectangular USB-A outlet to the port on your phone). I would imagine that such cables cannot be used to hack into your phone, so would be a lot safer to use on a public charger. If I am wrong about this, someone who knows please correct me.</div><div><br></div><div>- Dan Silber</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 1:21 PM Denise via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">I’m starting to think it’s too much trouble to go away with the iphone! ; ) … almost <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">Ok; so for iphone 11 promax, I just read they are ‘capable of PD fast charging around 18w – 22w’<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">Charges 50% in half hour.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">So I guess this means I should get a charger/battery pack that is 22watts (or 18 watts?) or higher, right?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">Higher is wasted but not ‘bad’; and lower: I won’t get the fastest charge, correct?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><img width="679" height="81" style="width: 7.0729in; height: 0.8437in;" id="m_3081162917929430771m_6529760467067329700Picture_x0020_5" src="cid:ii_18dc8809c1e855d355"><span style="font-size:13pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><img width="597" height="20" style="width: 6.2187in; height: 0.2083in;" id="m_3081162917929430771m_6529760467067329700Picture_x0020_6" src="cid:ii_18dc8809c1f935e6e6"><span style="font-size:13pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">I can’t wrap my head around all the wires & cord yet.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">I guess I could start with the charger and then move onto that later.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">And if I don’t care about the number of times; ignore the mAh.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">Hope I got that right.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">Thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">denise<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Steve Isenberg <<a href="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">smisenberg@gmail.com</a>> <br><br></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Sorry to confuse you.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Yes, battery pack to charge (recharge) a device when no electricity is available.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Once the device is charged, you put the battery pack away.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">How long you'd hold it depends on (a) how much charge you want to put on the device (is 50% enough? or do you want 100%) and (b) how long it takes for your device to charge up to that level.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Fast recharge is device-dependent. Check your device to see if it accepts a fast charge (e.g., 50% in 30 minutes) and what would be needed for this <b>(e.g., 20W or 30W charger). Then check the battery pack and see if it can support the fast charge.<u></u><u></u></b></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Yes, mAh is how many times it can charge.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">In a hotel or airport, you'd use your USB charger (see my picture with two white USB chargers) or your battery pack. Not the hotel's or airport's USB ports.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">For a complete recharging solution for your iphone, I'd suggest<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">* Battery pack. Eg, the Miady ones I'd suggested.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">* Cables. I'd suggested a 1' and a 3' and I gave reasons for both. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">* USB charger, like the picture of 2 white ones I'd shown in previous email. There are some that provide 3 or 4 USB ports and this might be helpful (it is for me).<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I bring all this and I also include a 6' electrical extension cord (in case the electrical outlet isn't nearby).<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">-steve<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 12:05 PM Denise <<a href="mailto:denise@rcn.com" target="_blank">denise@rcn.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">Oh boy; now my head is swimming! Above my pay grade.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">I thought you use the battery pack to “recharge” the iphone; when no electricity available, right?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">And isn’t that ‘fast’? so once you recharge it, you put the pack away?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">So you wouldn’t be holding it in your hand very long?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">What should I be looking for (what spec?) for a fast recharge?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">It looks like the mAh affects how many ‘times’ it can charge, and not the speed, correct?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">And in a hotel or airport, you would always use a ‘usb blocker’; and this doesn’t typically come with the charger, right?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">Usually bought separately?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">Thanks</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">denise</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b>From:</b> Steve Isenberg <<a href="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">smisenberg@gmail.com</a>> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Denise,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">As I said, I have two 3-connector cables: microUSB (for Kindle), lightning (for iPhone/iPad), USB-C (for future iPhone that uses USB-C and other devices I have that need USB-C).</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I have a short one (about 12") and a longer one (about 3').</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">If you buy a battery pack with included cables, then you are locked into keeping the battery pack (it's heavy) close to the phone, so the thing you're holding up to your ear is much heavier. Using a longer cable or a longer lightning cable, you can put the battery pack in your pocket (or as my wife does, in her purse) and use the phone, cable attached, without the extra weight.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">For example</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">three-pack one foot multi charging cable $10: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Braided-Charger-Compatible-Tablets-Samsung/dp/B08HGSVJS1/" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Braided-Charger-Compatible-Tablets-Samsung/dp/B08HGSVJS1/</a> (I paid more when I bought this in 2021!)</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><img border="0" width="110" height="103" style="width: 1.1458in; height: 1.0729in;" id="m_3081162917929430771m_6529760467067329700m_-596948046894279640Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:ii_18dc8809c1e4cff311"></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">two-pack 4 foot multi charging cable each with 2 lightnings $7: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Charging-Braided-Multiple-Connectors-Compatible/dp/B0BQF1HQVQ/" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Charging-Braided-Multiple-Connectors-Compatible/dp/B0BQF1HQVQ/</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><img border="0" width="82" height="76" style="width: 0.8541in; height: 0.7916in;" id="m_3081162917929430771m_6529760467067329700m_-596948046894279640Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:ii_18dc8809c1e5b16b22"></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">The wattage of the charger (e.g., 20w) is only important if your device can use the extra wattage, iPhones are needing about 5 watts, I think. The important part about the battery pack is its amp-hour capacity (measured mAh) as that is its charging capacity. <b>A 10000 mAh can charge your iphone more times than a 5000mAh charger</b>. We use 10000mAh and it's working well for us. </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Traveling in or out of the US is a matter of considering how to recharge your battery pack and iPhone, hence you'd need a wall socket adapter (socket is different in Europe and England that in US) and you'd need to be sure that the USB adapter handles 120v and also 240v. Most do this.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Note that most adapters don't change voltage so be careful not to plug your 120V device into a 240V socket unless it can handle the dual voltage.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">A USB blocker. This prevents data from being taken from your phone when you plug it in to charge it.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Not needed if you only charge your device using the battery pack. (I do this whenever I'm not at home.)</span></b><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Not needed if you plug your charging cable into your portable USB wall charger. Picture from Amazon.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><img border="0" width="107" height="86" style="width: 1.1145in; height: 0.8958in;" id="m_3081162917929430771m_6529760467067329700m_-596948046894279640Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:ii_18dc8809c1e692e333"></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">If you're plugging your charging cable into some USB connector (as provided on airplane, airport, mall, etc) then just as the cable can be used to sync your device at home, the cable can be used by someone else at the airport, airplane, etc to grab data from your device.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Hope this helps.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">-steve</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 10:06 AM Denise <<a href="mailto:denise@rcn.com" target="_blank">denise@rcn.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">Thanks Steve!</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">You bring up an interesting point: iphone vs. non iphone charging. This would never need to plug into a non iPhone; but I hadn’t thought of that issue. I thought you buy these units separately (for either an iphone or android, etc.) I didn’t realize they can work for more than one different type of device. I don’t know much about them as you can see. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">I kind of like the idea of an ‘intrinsic cable’ (built in) cable; which I assume you mean this sort of thing: </span><img border="0" width="144" height="81" style="width: 1.5in; height: 0.8437in;" id="m_3081162917929430771m_6529760467067329700m_-596948046894279640m_3215734870087903731m_3262769394674229624Picture_x0020_11" src="cid:ii_18dc8809c1e772f6c4"><span style="font-size:13pt"> built in to make it easy so you don’t need to keep track of an extra cable? I like that. as long is it’s an iphone cable. But I don’t think I’ve ever seen in a description if the cables are always for iphone; maybe they are.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">And sounds as if I don’t really need to worry about “mAh” range?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">And you said you carry a cord with 3 plugs; is that just to accommodate both iPhone and android? Is there an advantage to all those cords while traveling?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">Thanks</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt">denise</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Steve Isenberg <<a href="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">smisenberg@gmail.com</a>> <br><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">It's basically a decision based on (a) how much you want to spend, (b) how heavy you can handle, and (c) how often you'll be using it.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">For what it's worth, I bought the Miady 2-Pack 10000mAh dual USB Portable Charger, it's $20 minus 10% so it's $18 for the pair. <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Miady-10000mAh-Portable-Charger-Charging/dp/B07XFBN7HX/" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Miady-10000mAh-Portable-Charger-Charging/dp/B07XFBN7HX/</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I'm using one and my wife is using the other.</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"> <span style="color:rgb(11,83,148)">I have found that although they claim "10000mAh" it's really in the 6000mAh range; which is sufficient for multiple iPhone and iPad charges.</span></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I wouldn't buy one that plugs directly into the iPhone as that means you can never use it to charge a non-iPhone.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Some come with intrinsic cables; the one I'm mentioning doesn't. I carry a 1 foot cord with three plugs (lightning, micro usb, and usb-c) and another 3' cord with three plugs; these can be used or charging the battery as well as charging the iphone.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Look at the offerings, and the reviews, and the price.</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Good luck,</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"> <span style="color:rgb(11,83,148)">-steve</span></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div>===============================================<br>
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