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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Maybe search for Dark Matter will turn out to be similar to search for ether…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+ggamota=stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ted Kochanski via LCTG<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 22, 2024 2:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Alexander <mna.ma@yahoo.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Steve Isenberg <smisenberg@gmail.com>; lctg@lists.toku.us; Stan Rose <stan_rose@alum.mit.edu><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Dark matter doesn't exist and the universe is 27 billion years old • Earth.com<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>All,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There are starting to accumulate a bunch of annoying discrepancies which none of the existing theories are able to easily bridge -- for example: the Huible Constant derived from two "quite independent paths" -- no-longer has overlapping error bars -- so something is amiss<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is it time for another revamp of Physics comparable to the Quantum & Relativity Era from about 125 to about 75 years ago? -- only time and space can tell<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ted<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 5:02 PM Michael Alexander <<a href="mailto:mna.ma@yahoo.com">mna.ma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ted is right: the idea that physical “constants” are not truly constant has been around for quite a while. When I was a grad student in physics, I remember, Professor David Bohm (Princeton; author of a quantum mechanics text) tried to construct a non-constant physical constant (NCPC ?) theory.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What I find interesting about the new NCPC theory is that, on the surface, it might have genuine application. It doesn’t (yet) necessarily displace the dark matter theory because – as far as one can tell from information in this thread – there are no observational or experimental data, now, that distinguish NCPC from dark matter theories. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In both cases, the ‘evidence’ supporting the theories seems to come from reasoning that’s analogous to curve-fitting. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> – Mike Alexander<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-top:0in'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#715FFA'>On Thursday, March 21, 2024, 4:26 PM, Michael Alexander via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div id="m_5983750008635326543yiv1500177630"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>However, as Einstein showed, time depends on one’s frame of reference.<br><br> – Mike Alexander<o:p></o:p></p><div id="m_5983750008635326543yiv1500177630yqt40061"><p style='margin-top:0in'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#715FFA'>On Thursday, March 21, 2024, 4:20 PM, Robert Primak via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div id="m_5983750008635326543yiv1500177630"><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>As they say, "Time will tell". (What time will tell us and how, are the unanswered questions.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>-- Bob Primak <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="m_5983750008635326543yiv1500177630yqt78896"><div id="m_5983750008635326543yiv1500177630yahoo_quoted_1362454349"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 03:29:56 PM EDT, Ted Kochanski <<a href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id="m_5983750008635326543yiv1500177630"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>All,<br><br>This is not new <br><br>Back in the 70's when I was an MIT undergrad -- we had a Physics Colloquium featuring Paul Dirac -- the legendary Physicist<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Most people came just based on the assumption that here's a chance to say you were in the room with one of the founders of QM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>However -- Prof. Dirac spent his hour talking about a new idea -- that the physical constants were not in fact constant -- that they changed with time and space in a predictable manner<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>When he was finished -- most people thought that they had witnessed an old guy a bit off the beaten trail -- and Yet?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Ted <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="m_5983750008635326543yiv1500177630yqt79691"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 3:25 PM Ted Kochanski <<a href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>This is not new <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Back in the 70's when I was an MIT undergrad -- we had a Physics Colo<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 11:05 PM carllazarus--- via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I agree it appears that no real evidence has been presented to support these hypotheses. On the other hand, after decades of trying to find dark matter, it does seem like there must be some cosmic mechanism we don’t yet understand.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>-- Carl</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p><b><span style='color:#26282A'>From:</span></b><span style='color:#26282A'> LCTG <lctg-bounces+carllazarus=<a href="mailto:comcast.net@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">comcast.net@lists.toku.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Primak via LCTG<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 18, 2024 2:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> Stan Rose <<a href="mailto:stan_rose@alum.mit.edu" target="_blank">stan_rose@alum.mit.edu</a>>; Steve Isenberg <<a href="mailto:smisenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">smisenberg@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Dark matter doesn't exist and the universe is 27 billion years old • Earth.com</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>While they listed a few possible mechanisms, like the search for Dark Matter and Dark Energy, the evidence looks to my mind to be highly speculative and poorly supported by any kind of evidence. (I have had not very much scientific education compared with most members of this group.) Then again, if I had the level of understanding to read further on this subject, I might be able to see what kinds of evidence both sides of this discussion think they are seeing. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>The paper referenced promises to include some of the evidence seen by the side which favors the CCC-TL hypothesis. Probably that level of reading is beyond my level of education and scientific literacy. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>-- Bob Primak <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="m_5983750008635326543yiv1500177630m_1935709358038320505m_3580072384759956596yahoo_quoted_1750541867"><div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 01:48:24 PM EDT, Steve Isenberg via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div id="m_5983750008635326543yiv1500177630m_1935709358038320505m_3580072384759956596yiv8474370535"><div><div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Interesting.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Posits that forces of nature weaken over time and in different places in the universe. (CCC, Covarying Coupling Constants)</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Also the Tired Light (TL) concept that light loses energy as it travels across the universe.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>I wonder what if any evidence is for these.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>-steve</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div id="m_5983750008635326543yiv1500177630m_1935709358038320505m_3580072384759956596yiv8474370535yqt33013"><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 1:20 PM Stan Rose via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>This seems to up end a lot of ideas!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><a href="https://www.earth.com/news/dark-matter-does-not-exist-universe-27-billion-years-old-study/" target="_blank">https://www.earth.com/news/dark-matter-does-not-exist-universe-27-billion-years-old-study/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>===============================================<br>::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br>Reply goes to sender only; 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