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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="https://www.shinefusion.com/blog/science-magazine-making-fusion-pay">https://www.shinefusion.com/blog/science-magazine-making-fusion-pay</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Ted Kochanski <tedpkphd@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 26, 2024 3:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> ggamota@stma-llc.com<br><b>Cc:</b> Barry Kort <barry.kort@gmail.com>; Lexington Computer Group New Address Distribution <LCTG@lists.toku.us><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Meeting Reminder: Fusion Update, presented by Ted Kochanski. 10AM ET Wednesday, July 24, 2024. Lexington Computer and Technology Group<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>George,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Do you have a link to at least see the Headline as I don't subscribe to Science anymore<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ted<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 3:38 PM <<a href="mailto:ggamota@stma-llc.com">ggamota@stma-llc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:#1F497D'>A story related to fusion appeared in Science Magazine I received today. The title is “Making Fusion Pay”. In his ultimate goal Greg Piefer of SHINE Technologies is making money along the way to show FUSION makes clean energy, he makes money by selling neutrons. A smart move for an entrepreneur with vision and making money along the way. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:#1F497D'>George</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+ggamota=<a href="mailto:stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ted Kochanski via LCTG<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 25, 2024 1:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> Barry Kort <<a href="mailto:barry.kort@gmail.com" target="_blank">barry.kort@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Lexington Computer Group New Address Distribution <<a href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Meeting Reminder: Fusion Update, presented by Ted Kochanski. 10AM ET Wednesday, July 24, 2024. Lexington Computer and Technology Group<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>All,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>ITER has always been a big ? -- because it is a project based on a handshake deal between Governments [US & USSR -- in the persons of RR & Michale Gorbochov in 1985] -- these were at the time the two leading countries in the field of magnetic fusion science and engineering -- but the deal was done just to have a good PR value for the Reykjavik Summit <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>OK the spirit was good the scientists involved were earnest and dedicated [one of them was a guy who was a graduate student working with me at UT Austin] -- but the overall execution was - well unbelievably bureaucratic and geo-political .....<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Now sometimes handshakes work out well -- such as the legendary handshake between CEO's of Boeing and Pan Am which led to the 747 <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In the case of ITER all that happened for several years was an argument on where to build it -- followed by the sign-on of a number of other countries that wanted a piece of the action <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>then the key decision to use superconductive magnets -- but despite the then recent discovery of HIgh TC superconductors -- with a massive amount of sci/tech optimism -- the commitment to use the then established Low TC superconductors -- condemning the project to gargantuan scale<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>then as the number of participating countries ballooned the bureaucratic nature of the project exponentially got worse -- leading to the current ridiculous timetable and even more ridiculous over-all cost<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Still -- despite the huge growth of privately funded fusion work by CFS and the rest -- there is a case to be made for ITER as a world center for the ancillaries that the private sector start-ups will try to avoid but actually probably can greatly benefit from-- such as:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1'>blanket sci/tech <o:p></o:p></li></ol><ol start=1 type=1><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'>especially how to get the Tritium out of the blanket and ready to be injected into the Tokamak<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><ol start=2 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'>materials for the first wall and high heat load regions of the diverter <o:p></o:p></li></ol><ol start=2 type=1><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo4'>and the overall problem of getting residual heat [not expected to be very [if at all] useful for electric power generation] out of the tokamak<o:p></o:p></li></ol></ol><ol start=3 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5'>some confinement / stability science involving high energy alphas<o:p></o:p></li></ol></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The testing associated with the above issues will be hard to recover expenses for the CFS, Tokamak Energy and other Tokamak or even Stellerator-based Fusion Power privately funded start-ups<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So -- ITER should be done -- just blow-off the associated development of DEMO<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ted<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 2:16 PM Barry Kort via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Sabine Hossenfelder just posted an update on challenges and delays facing the ITER Fusion project in France ...<o:p></o:p></p><h1 style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#0F0F0F'><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nscGizM9NQw" target="_blank">Costs explode for Nuclear Fusion Flagship project -- Is it still worth the money?</a></span><o:p></o:p></h1></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Barry<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=m2314901554800634119gmailsignatureprefix>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The Process of Enlightenment Works In Mysterious Plays. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p 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