<div dir="auto">I will also sell you neutrons*</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">*may also contain protons</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 15:46 carllazarus--- via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_8263455579362626665WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">How much does he make per neutron? </span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😉</span><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><u style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_8263455579362626665WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><u style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"></u> <u style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"></u></span></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> LCTG <lctg-bounces+carllazarus=<a href="mailto:comcast.net@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">comcast.net@lists.toku.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>ggamota--- via LCTG<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 26, 2024 3:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ted Kochanski' <<a href="mailto:tedpkphd@gmail.com" target="_blank">tedpkphd@gmail.com</a>>; 'Barry Kort' <<a href="mailto:barry.kort@gmail.com" target="_blank">barry.kort@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Lexington Computer Group New Address Distribution' <<a href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Meeting Reminder: Fusion Update, presented by Ted Kochanski. 10AM ET Wednesday, July 24, 2024. Lexington Computer and Technology Group<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">A story related to fusion appeared in Science Magazine I received today. The title is “Making Fusion Pay”. In his ultimate goal Greg Piefer of SHINE Technologies is making money along the way to show FUSION makes clean energy, he makes money by selling neutrons. A smart move for an entrepreneur with vision and making money along the way. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">George<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg-bounces+ggamota=stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg-bounces+ggamota=stma-llc.com@lists.toku.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ted Kochanski via LCTG<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 25, 2024 1:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> Barry Kort <<a href="mailto:barry.kort@gmail.com" target="_blank">barry.kort@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Lexington Computer Group New Address Distribution <<a href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Meeting Reminder: Fusion Update, presented by Ted Kochanski. 10AM ET Wednesday, July 24, 2024. Lexington Computer and Technology Group<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">All,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">ITER has always been a big ? -- because it is a project based on a handshake deal between Governments [US & USSR -- in the persons of RR & Michale Gorbochov in 1985] -- these were at the time the two leading countries in the field of magnetic fusion science and engineering -- but the deal was done just to have a good PR value for the Reykjavik Summit <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">OK the spirit was good the scientists involved were earnest and dedicated [one of them was a guy who was a graduate student working with me at UT Austin] -- but the overall execution was - well unbelievably bureaucratic and geo-political .....<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Now sometimes handshakes work out well -- such as the legendary handshake between CEO's of Boeing and Pan Am which led to the 747 <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">In the case of ITER all that happened for several years was an argument on where to build it -- followed by the sign-on of a number of other countries that wanted a piece of the action <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">then the key decision to use superconductive magnets -- but despite the then recent discovery of HIgh TC superconductors -- with a massive amount of sci/tech optimism -- the commitment to use the then established Low TC superconductors -- condemning the project to gargantuan scale<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">then as the number of participating countries ballooned the bureaucratic nature of the project exponentially got worse -- leading to the current ridiculous timetable and even more ridiculous over-all cost<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Still -- despite the huge growth of privately funded fusion work by CFS and the rest -- there is a case to be made for ITER as a world center for the ancillaries that the private sector start-ups will try to avoid but actually probably can greatly benefit from-- such as:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin:5pt 0in 5pt 30pt"><ol start="1" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal">blanket sci/tech <u></u><u></u></li></ol><ol start="1" type="1"><ol start="1" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal">especially how to get the Tritium out of the blanket and ready to be injected into the Tokamak<u></u><u></u></li></ol></ol><ol start="2" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal">materials for the first wall and high heat load regions of the diverter <u></u><u></u></li></ol><ol start="2" type="1"><ol start="1" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal">and the overall problem of getting residual heat [not expected to be very [if at all] useful for electric power generation] out of the tokamak<u></u><u></u></li></ol></ol><ol start="3" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal">some confinement / stability science involving high energy alphas<u></u><u></u></li></ol></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal">The testing associated with the above issues will be hard to recover expenses for the CFS, Tokamak Energy and other Tokamak or even Stellerator-based Fusion Power privately funded start-ups<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">So -- ITER should be done -- just blow-off the associated development of DEMO<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ted<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 2:16 PM Barry Kort via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Sabine Hossenfelder just posted an update on challenges and delays facing the ITER Fusion project in France ...<u></u><u></u></p><h1 style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Roboto;color:rgb(15,15,15)"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nscGizM9NQw" target="_blank" style="font-family:Roboto">Costs explode for Nuclear Fusion Flagship project -- Is it still worth the money?</a></span><span style="font-family:Roboto;color:rgb(15,15,15)"><u style="font-family:Roboto"></u><u style="font-family:Roboto"></u></span></h1></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p 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