<div dir="ltr">All,<div><br></div><div>The impact of AI on society is still to be determined</div><div>When previous breakthrough tech has hit and become fully adopted the societal impact has been complex</div><div><br></div><div>For example -- textile industry in US [from time of the US Constitution to the beginning of the 21st C] chronicling the industrialization, change in energy sources and materials and impact of automation</div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>circa 1800 -- still based on work at home from raw materials to primary industrial feedstock to finished goods</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">distributed up and down east coast</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>growing vegetable and animal fiber predominantly on small farms -- wool, flax </div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>producing thread and weaving fabric -- spinning wheels and home looms</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>sewing clothing at home by hand</div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>circa 1850</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>large scale industrial production of industrial feedstocks in New England powered by water power and beginning of introduction of steam power </div><div>Cotton becomes dominant as raw material produced on industrial scale in south</div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>beginning of industrial production of finished goods [Civil War uniforms]</div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">circa 1900<br></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">large scale industrial production of industrial feedstocks in New England powered by steam power and beginning of introduction of electricity for lighting<br>widespread industrial production of finished goods and beginning of mass marketed clothing produced predominantly in the North East and North Central area<br>return to some home production of clothing made from commercial fabrics with the aid of the sewing machine<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">circa 1950<br></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">New materials [synthertics] <br>complete electrification of textile industry <br>Raw fabric part of Textile industry moves to the South<br>Industrial production of finished goods spatially diversifying <br><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">circa 2000<br></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">Textile industry moves outside US except for industrial feedstocks for synthetic materials and some high-end finished goods<br>Automation begins to have impact on some finished goods</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><br></blockquote>Ted</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 9:44 PM Robert Primak via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Fascinating interview.</div><div><br></div><div>AI will do to workers what:</div><div><br></div><div>Direct dialing did to telephone operators.</div><div>Word processors and desktop PCs and Macs did to secretaries and later, administrative assistants.</div><div>Digital sampling did to session artists (musicians).</div><div>Digital video creation programs did to professional animators. </div><div>Computers did to the women who originally calculated gunnery tables by hand.</div><div><br></div><div>And so on. </div><div><br></div><div>Nobody got compensation, no one got universal income, not everyone went on Welfare, and people were not dying in the streets.</div><div>Workers upgraded their skill sets, the same way construction workers learned to work with power tools, and the same way farmers learned to use personal and business computers, complete with ag-centric weather forecasting models. </div><div>The smart workers quickly adapted, and even the least intelligent or least talented found something useful and pay-worthy to do for a living. (Crypto-mining and Social Media influencing don't count.)</div><div>Similarly, older drivers are learning how to drive cars with today's auto tech innovations and distractions. (Though the newer, brighter LED headlights are placing a real strain on some of us.)</div><div><br></div><div>Universal income serves to make sure no one needs to be homeless even when they are working full-time. It serves to provide health care and food security to everyone, regardless or status in (or out of) the workforce. Universal income is not a substitute for upgrading workers' skill sets so as to keep these skill sets relevant to the way work is done today, and tomorrow and tomorrow. </div><div><br></div><div>Now let's discuss universal access to free post-secondary education and skills training, aka free community college for all. We aren't farmers in the 1800's anymore, with a need for only an eighth-grade education.</div><div><br></div><div>-- Bob Primak </div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br></div>
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<div><div dir="ltr">This interview is from September 12, 2023 but is still relevant.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2023/09/12/is-the-rise-of-ai-the-best-argument-for-universal-basic-income" target="_blank">https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2023/09/12/is-the-rise-of-ai-the-best-argument-for-universal-basic-income</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Peter<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">===============================================<br></div><div dir="ltr">::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br></div><div dir="ltr">Reply goes to sender only; Reply All to send to list.<br></div><div dir="ltr">Send to the list: <a href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a> Message archives: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">To subscribe: email <a href="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us" target="_blank">lctg-subscribe@toku.us</a> To unsubscribe: email <a href="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us" target="_blank">lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Future and Past meeting information: <a href="http://LCTG.toku.us" target="_blank">http://LCTG.toku.us</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">List information: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">This message was sent to <a href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com." target="_blank">bobprimak@yahoo.com.</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Set your list options: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/bobprimak@yahoo.com" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/bobprimak@yahoo.com</a><br></div></div>
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