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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Look up powers of Ten Eames 1977<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>John Rudy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>781-861-0402<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>781-718-8334 cell<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>13 Hawthorne Lane<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bedford MA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net"><span style='color:#467886'>jjrudy1@comcast.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><img border=0 width=124 height=115 style='width:1.2916in;height:1.1927in' id="Picture_x0020_197160951" src="cid:image001.png@01DB5A39.2C57D130"></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Robert Primak <bobprimak@yahoo.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 29, 2024 9:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Lexington Computer and Technology Group' <lctg@lists.toku.us>; jjrudy1@comcast.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Radiolab: What is the most average size thing<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>That link doesn't work in the Chromium web browser.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>-- Bob Primak </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yahoo_quoted_6383410093"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Sunday, December 29, 2024 at 09:18:05 PM EST, <<a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=yiv0311372601><div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>There was an interesting video made more than a decade ago that looked at, as I recall, size. It started with a person, and then grew, piece by pice one order of magnitude to show what things are like at different scales. Then it did the same thing backwards by 1/10 at s time. I recall us showing the video at the club a long time ago. Cannot recall what it was called.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>See this video <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=video+progressively+making+units+biggr+by+a+factor+of+10&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS1116US1116&oq=video+progressively+making+units+biggr+by+a+factor+of+10&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIJCAEQIRgKGKABMgkIAhAhGAoYoAEyCQgDECEYChigATIHCAQQIRirAjIHCAUQIRiPAtIBCTI1MDgyajBqN6gCCLACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:f8c8d350,vid:0fKBhvDjuy0,st:0" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?q=video+progressively+making+units+biggr+by+a+factor+of+10&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS1116US1116&oq=video+progressively+making+units+biggr+by+a+factor+of+10&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIJCAEQIRgKGKABMgkIAhAhGAoYoAEyCQgDECEYChigATIHCAQQIRirAjIHCAUQIRiPAtIBCTI1MDgyajBqN6gCCLACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:f8c8d350,vid:0fKBhvDjuy0,st:0</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>John Rudy</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>781-861-0402</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>781-718-8334 cell</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>13 Hawthorne Lane</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Bedford MA</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank"><span style='color:#467886'>jjrudy1@comcast.net</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><img border=0 width=124 height=115 style='width:1.2916in;height:1.1979in' id="yiv0311372601Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01DB5A39.2C57D130"></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv0311372601yqt02450><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg-bounces+jjrudy1=comcast.net@lists.toku.us">lctg-bounces+jjrudy1=comcast.net@lists.toku.us</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Primak via LCTG<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 29, 2024 8:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> Lexington Computer and Technology Group <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>>; Peter Albin <<a href="mailto:palbin24@yahoo.com">palbin24@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Radiolab: What is the most average size thing</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I agree about the second part being of a nonscientific interest. But nonetheless, of some interest, I think. (Not to our group for meeting purposes, of course.)</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>The first part is interesting from a technology point of view. The engineers in our group are always talking about doing "back of the envelope" estimates of stuff, and that's exactly what this segment was about. As with all such estimates, certain assumptions had to be made.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I was curious about why the idea of the Universe being 10^93 meters across (based on Cosmic Inflation, not the farthest that light has ever traveled) was rejected out of hand. That would have made the estimate orders of magnitude bigger. But the use of the Planck Distance does seem reasonable, because below that size the fabric of space-time seems not to be measurable as a distance.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Interestingly enough, at least a couple of sets of their assumptions led to the same result, but that might have been confirmation bias. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Too bad this isn't a video, because that would make it more useful for a meeting. But maybe someone in the group who is much better at math than I am might try to develop a slide show based on these estimates, and explain where some of the assumptions may have come from. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>-- Bob Primak </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv0311372601yahoo_quoted_6146361474"><div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Saturday, December 28, 2024 at 09:05:16 PM EST, Peter Albin via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote: </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Listen to the first half of this Radiolab podcast (~30 min) to answer </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>the question:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>"First, after graduating from high school, without a clear plan for what </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>to do next, Laura Andrews started asking herself a lot of questions. A </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>spiral of big philosophical thoughts that led her to sit down and write </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>to us with a question that was… oddly mathematical. What is the most </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>average size thing, if you take into account everything in the universe. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>So, along with mathematician Steven Strogatz, we decided to see if we </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>could sit down and, in a friendly throwdown of guesstimates and quick </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>calculations, rough out an answer. "</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><a href="http://www.wnycstudios.org/story/average-show/" target="_blank">http://www.wnycstudios.org/story/average-show/</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>If you are curious, the second segment ( specific moment in history when </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>the world tried to find the "average" human body) is also interesting, </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>though, less scientific!</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Peter</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>===============================================</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=yiv0311372601msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Reply goes to sender only; 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