<div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I understand one rule (provide guardrails to prevent answers enabling suicide) can't solve all problems. But, I also understand that trying to solve widespread problems impacting a lot of people (Deep fakes impacting national elections) can be very difficult. As Bob points out, we do have laws against a person encouraging another person to commit suicide, so why not generalize that to Chat Bots? We might add the many other laws covering punishment for providing information that society has deemed harmful to others.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Again, the reason I feel pretty strongly about this is that I don't want us to get to the point where this gets out of control and people start saying, let's ban the use of all AI LLM's.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)">-- Harry</div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="text-align:left"><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><table cellspacing="5" cellpadding="5" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana;font-size:19.2px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238);margin-left:0px;margin-right:auto"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font-size:10pt;width:306px"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><a href="http://www.forsdick.com/resume/" rel="noopener" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">Harry Forsdick</a><br><a href="http://lexingtontmma.org/" rel="noopener" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">Town Meeting Member Precinct 7</a><br><a href="https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=harry@forsdick.com" rel="noopener" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">harry@forsdick.com</a><br></span><a href="http://www.forsdick.com/" rel="noopener" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:verdana,sans-serif" target="_blank">www.forsdick.com</a><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></td><td style="width:15px"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> </span></td><td valign="top" style="font-size:10pt;width:179px"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><a href="https://goo.gl/xZXT2F" rel="noopener" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">46 Burlington St.<br>Lexington, MA 02420</a><br><a href="callto:17817996002" rel="noopener" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">(781) 799-6002 (mobile)</a><br></span></td></tr></tbody></table><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 9, 2025 at 11:35 AM John Rudy via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1079073352380803646"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_1079073352380803646WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">I posted it because I was unaware how far this disturbing trend has gone. You legal thoughts seem appropriate though it is always hard to know how far the controls should reach. Deep Fakes, internet fact checking, etc. are examples where just as much (or more) harm can be created. The suggestion to commit suicide affects only that one person and their close colleagues/relatives. A deep fake can affect millions and countries are applying them to inter-country (and intra-country) warfare.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">John Rudy<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">781-861-0402<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">781-718-8334 cell<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">13 Hawthorne Lane<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Bedford MA<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(70,120,134)">jjrudy1@comcast.net</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><img border="0" width="124" height="115" style="width: 1.2916in; height: 1.1927in;" id="m_1079073352380803646Picture_x0020_62867505" src="cid:ii_194eb93e49a4cff311"></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Robert Primak <<a href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com" target="_blank">bobprimak@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 9, 2025 11:07 AM<br><b>To:</b> Lex Computer Group <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>>; <a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Jim Barron <<a href="mailto:barron@barronaw.com" target="_blank">barron@barronaw.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] some very disturbing AI behavior<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif">The courts have ruled that if a human did this, it would be a crime in the US. At least as much of a guardrail should apply to AI "companions". The AI's creators and/or maintainers are responsible for providing adequate guardrails. This should be codified into laws and regulations. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif">One publication went so far as to refer to the AI as the man's "girlfriend". Whi<span style="color:black">le no one can regulate whom or what people choose as their companions, it is clear that this AI was being used (and provided) unethically.</span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">Ultimately, we must protect ourselves. There is still a component of personal responsibility, and attaching to inanimate objects or computer generated nonentities stretches my credulity about what strangeness the human mind is capable of. Regarding both those who attach and those who provide these "things" to attach to. </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">There is still no substitute for the human element in relationships. Nursing homes are often less than ideal from this standpoint. But allowing socially isolated people (including many older Americans) to be attended to by nonhuman (inhuman?) "companions" is a huge public health cop-out. This trend needs to be stopped before it gains momentum. No one should be left to live alone unless they truly want it that way. Maybe not even then. </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">-- Bob Primak </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div id="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yahoo_quoted_9844920223"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Sunday, February 9, 2025 at 09:39:22 AM EST, John Rudy via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div id="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311"><div><div><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><a href="https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/02/06/1111077/nomi-ai-chatbot-told-user-to-kill-himself/?utm_source=engagement_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wklysun&utm_term=02.09.25.subs_eng&utm_content=TR10_25LIVE_ACQ&mc_cid=67021e1372&mc_eid=0e9040b93d" target="_blank">An AI chatbot told a user how to kill himself—but the company doesn’t want to “censor” it | MIT Technology Review</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">This is a recent ar4ticle from MIT’s Technology Review and reveals AI without adequate guardrails. Of course they are not easy to set. Though I haven’t personally used any of them, there are an increasing number of systems that are designed to be “companions” that you can chat with about a myriad of subjects<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">John<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">John Rudy</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">781-861-0402</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">781-718-8334 cell</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">13 Hawthorne Lane</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Bedford MA</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><a href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" target="_blank">jjrudy1@comcast.net</a></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><img border="0" width="248" height="229" style="width: 2.5833in; height: 2.3854in;" id="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:ii_194eb93e49a4cff311"></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_1079073352380803646ydp1e77b999yiv9592716311msonormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">===============================================<br>::The Lexington Computer and Technology Group Mailing List::<br>Reply goes to sender only; Reply All to send to list.<br>Send to the list: <a href="mailto:LCTG@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">LCTG@lists.toku.us</a> Message archives: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/pipermail/lctg-toku.us/</a><br>To subscribe: email <a href="mailto:lctg-subscribe@toku.us" target="_blank">lctg-subscribe@toku.us</a> To unsubscribe: email <a href="mailto:lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us" target="_blank">lctg-unsubscribe@toku.us</a><br>Future and Past meeting information: <a href="http://LCTG.toku.us" target="_blank">http://LCTG.toku.us</a><br>List information: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us</a><br>This message was sent to <a href="mailto:bobprimak@yahoo.com." target="_blank">bobprimak@yahoo.com.</a><br>Set your list options: <a href="http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/bobprimak@yahoo.com" target="_blank">http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/bobprimak@yahoo.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div>===============================================<br>
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