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<html><head><meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><div dir="auto">I like Steve's suggestion about setting up a new Linux installation on some old Hardware and showing everybody how easy it is to use.<br><br>I am going to a client next week on Wednesday morning and will be replacing Windows 10 with Linux Ubuntu with the cinnamon desktop.<br><br>For those of you who don't know desktops the cinnamon desktop is the default for Linux Mint. It makes the computer look a lot like Windows 7 menu Style. Ubuntu is what my client requested, and I'm going to demonstrate for her beforehand what the cinnamon desktop looks like in comparison to the default Ubuntu desktop which I don't like very much.<br><br>As far as Microsoft Office is concerned you can use the online version of office if you pay for at least 100 GB of storage or the full terabyte of storage with office included.<br><br>I did a video this past week for tech for senior that aired Monday morning just a few days ago.<br><br>It offers an alternate suggestion by taking advantage of a cell phone and turning it into a computer like environment. This is where cell phones are going and where technology is going. It's available today on Samsung Android phones and also on Google pixel phones running Android 16. Both Samsung Galaxy phones and Google pixel phones today offer a desktop experience that makes it look as though you're running Chromebook essentially on just a monitor. It's an interesting video to watch.<br><br>It has received 839 views in just 3 days.<br><br><<a href="https://youtu.be/yKeAfrENUbU">https://youtu.be/yKeAfrENUbU</a>><br><br>Our generation will always use computers but the younger generation those under 40 today spend most of their time on their cell phones and soon all Android users will have a desktop option and Apple users will have that option in version 26 of iOS. Apple is also adding a desktop experience to the IOS operating system.<br><br>Children will get their first cell phone and that will also be there first computer when you pair it with a Bluetooth keyboard mouse and just an ordinary monitor with a USBC to HDMI cable it transforms that monitor into a computer with a desktop and a taskbar and the ability to open multiple windows and position them wherever you want to just like you can on a regular computer.<br><br><br>Drew. <br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto">On June 20, 2025 12:47:33 PM EDT, Steve Isenberg via LCTG <lctg@lists.toku.us> wrote:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">This is my reply, with some options to consider, that I sent to a smaller group.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><div class="gmail_default">To consider:</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><div class="gmail_default">If you have an old machine that you want to move away from Windows 10, consider Linux Mint.</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><div class="gmail_default">Pro: free, similar to Windows, runs on old hardware</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><div class="gmail_default">Con: You can't run MS Office -- but you can run LibreOffice that is very much like MS Office (and is free).</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><div class="gmail_default"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><div class="gmail_default">Or else you could buy a new PC to run windows 11 </div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><div class="gmail_default">or buy a MacBook to get totally out of the Microsoft environment</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><div class="gmail_default">or you could consider a Chromebook</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><div class="gmail_default">or you could buy a refurbished PC (starting under $200) or MacBook (even less) or Chromebook (starting under $100) -- check <a href="https://backmarket.com/" target="_blank">https://backmarket.com</a> (I learned of them from Harry and I've had many happy refurbs from them).</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><div class="gmail_default"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><div class="gmail_default">Re: Linux, we had a meeting on setting up a Linux machine a while back (December 2021). Should we have another, where we take an old PC and then install Linux, set it up, and demonstrate how to use it?</div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394"><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Regards,</div><div class="gmail_default">-steve</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 20, 2025 at 12:04 PM Peter Albin via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>George, et al.,</p>
<p>Upgrading an "old" computer to windows 11 does require some
technical knowledge as Bob has suggested. You can run a
comparability test (from Microsoft <a href="https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/check-if-a-device-meets-windows-11-system-requirements-after-changing-device-hardware-f3bc0aeb-6884-41a1-ab57-88258df6812b" target="_blank">here</a>)
to determine the reason you cannot run the software. From my
experience it is the use of a relatively new security feature in
the CPU and all programs should work correctly. The workarounds
that are suggested all involve "faking" the installation program
to believe that this feature is present.</p>
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<p>That said, the security upgrade is not critical as all the
information on the windows 10 computer is already on the dark web!</p>
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<p>I would ask a more basic question, what task are you trying to
perform on the "old" windows 10 machine that you believe windows
11 can solve?</p>
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<p>I would not be concerned about the future of windows 10. I would
either purchase new hardware that supports windows 11 or continue
using the windows 10 computer until you are forced to purchase a
new machine. Who knows, it may last until Windows 12 or 13!</p>
<p>Peter</p>
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<div>On 6/19/2025 11:18 PM, ggamota--- via
LCTG wrote:<br>
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I came across this video of how to upgrade to Windows 11 even
though your computer processor does not meet Microsoft's
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Any thoughts? Has anybody tried it?</div>
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George</div>
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