<div dir="ltr">All this is why some of us like to self-host as much as possible, using the cloud only when needed and then thoughtfully (e.g. encrypting files like Drew does). Email is very hard to do yourself - probably not worth the effort - but there are email providers (e.g. Proton) who are more privacy oriented. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 3, 2025 at 4:06 AM Smita Desai via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">hopefully, that won’t happen in my lifetime. But then as Scott McNealy said a long time ago - “you have no privacy anyway. Get over it. “ <div><br></div><div>There is a convoluted ways to get your Outlook 365 emails down locally. You can create .pst files in Outlook and then move your emails from Gmail, Yahoo, Outlook, etc. to folders within the .pst file. These files stay within user > local settings folder and you are responsible for backing it up. Once moved, the email can be deleted from the cloud side - IMAP connection. These .pst files do not have any direct data connection. Microsoft had stopped allowing opening .pst files in Outlook. But a lot of users complained a lot and they changed. That’s why there is Classic option in desktop Outlook. Most of the software app does stay in the cloud of course as Bob said, which allows them to automatically enforce licensing. </div><div><br></div><div>I also doubt if enterprises will ever agree to allow storing all emails in the cloud, given numerous times that these companies have been hacked. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Smita</div><div><div><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 3, 2025, at 11:38 AM, Robert Primak via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div style="font-size:13px"></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="3">Drew,</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3">What you say would be great for your own, locally generated content.</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3">But Outlook.com doesn't have a local option, and Microsoft/Office 365 is entirely in the Cloud. You don't start with local documents, etc. So your data are never encrypted to begin with. Microsoft (or any other Cloud App provider) is free to do whatever they want when the app is in the Cloud and makes its first save/autosave to the same Cloud environment.</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3">You truly have no choice in such a situation. You can use a VPN to get to your Cloud computing environment, but once you're logged in, nothing is encrypted where it is created. "Local Save" means only that a copy is downloaded after the fact. The programs/services are all in the Cloud. </font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3">Right now, there are very limited local options, but those are disappearing from Windows and Mac. The only alternative is to forego all Microsoft and Apple branded and Store applications, and use only freeware or locally installed, licensed software. So far those are still options, though companies like Intuit (Quick Books) and Adobe (Photoshop) have moved to entirely Cloud App subscription services. </font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:medium">This is becoming the norm/default for more and more "Software/App/OS as a Service" products/subscriptions.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3">Rumors have it that Windows 12 will be so Cloud-centric that by default the only thing you'll be doing which originates locally is logging into your device (with a Microsoft Cloud Account). Even for Pro users. The desktop will be Cloud-only. And Copilot AI will be everywhere, so you can't avoid all your inputs being seen and manipulated by Microsoft. Microsoft is far from alone in these trends. </font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3">Microsoft as of Windows 11 25H2 has made it much more difficult to even set up a local Administrator Account.</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3">And don't get the idea that Apple is going any different direction. </font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3">Another </font><span style="font-size:medium">piece of fallout from these changes: Backing up your system and programs will no longer matter. You can't refuse an update to a program in the Cloud whose interface you used to like but now can't stand due to recent changes. And you can't restore the apps or your Cloud desktop to a previous condition or settings. You can download and store local copies of your data. Which is useless if the Cloud App goes away or changes its formats so your old files won't work in the app anymore. If you stop paying for the services, or if the services go away, your data may become useless. (Maybe we need to go back to paper printouts and screenshots/video captures?) </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:medium"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:medium">Backup as we've known it, even for businesses, is going away. </span><font size="3"><div><div><br></div></div></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3">-- Bob Primak </font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:13px"><br></div>
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<p><font size="5">All,</font></p>
<p><font size="5">Regarding encryption, I suggest looking into
<a shape="rect" href="https://cryptomator.org/" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://cryptomator.org/</a></font></p>
<p><font size="5">I'm also a VPN advocate. My connections to the
Internet are ALWAYS encrypted.</font></p>
<p><font size="5">My new router supports device level encryption
using my Nordvpn.com account. Although I still run Nordvpn on my
PC's, I can, and do let it encrypt each of my virtual machines.</font></p>
<p><font size="5"><a shape="rect" href="https://windscribe.com/" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://windscribe.com/</a> is a very good VPN with a
FREE option. You get 10GB of transfer data per month!</font></p>
<p><font size="5">Black Friday sales are coming, so browse the
options. Nordvpn also protects you from malware, and ads. All
your downloads, and web content are scanned <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">BEFORE they get to
your browser!</span></font> <font size="5">All referrals get 3
extra months free.</font></p>
<p><font size="5"><img alt="7J9Ujl7PYkkv78GJ.png" src="cid:ii_19a4a0d51bdde1c26861"></font></p>
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<p><font size="5">They support Windows, Mac, and Linux for free.
Mobile apps have a fee.</font></p>
<p><font size="5">I don't encrypt EVERYTHING, but <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">anything I don't
want cloud providers reading, absolutely!</span></font></p>
<p><font size="5">Cryptomator revolves around "Vaults". Vaults are
folders with files in them. You can, on Windows, mount the vault
as a drive letter, and everywhere you can mount as a folder.</font></p>
<p><b><font size="5" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">We
can do a potpourri on Cryptomator/encryption if there is
interest? Rclone, which I also use, handles encryption.</font></b></p>
<p><font size="5">All the cloud providers scan your files in detail.
I was caught off guard by Pcloud a few years ago. Pcloud is my
backup cloud drive for Google and Microsoft. The first time I
copied my data from Google to pcloud I got locked out of my
pcloud account shortly afterwards and after contacting technical
support I learned that it was because of a violation of their
terms of service! I had a single PDF file on my Google Drive
that was a news article referencing the war in Iraq and it
specifically mentioned ISIS. It was the content of this PDF
file that Google was perfectly fine with that caused the
violation. I asked pCloud to delete anything they felt was in
violation of their policy in exchange for letting me back into
my account, and they agreed. Afterward I learned that it was
this single file that was the root of the problem. Pcloud, and
all others, scan all of your documents in detail. Basically
reading through them word by word and using technology to
discover what the content is and what it references.</font></p>
<p><font size="5">Now that we have all of this AI technology, it is
certain that they know about everything that you write and store
in the cloud. </font></p>
<p><b style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"><font size="5">Don't
put anything in the cloud unencrypted that you don't want your
cloud provider to read in detail!</font></b></p>
<p><font size="5">These are the cloud providers they support on
mobile. Any cloud on your PC works.</font></p>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="3">Well, it's at
least as private as Amazon's Alexa from their home assistant
series of IoT devices. <img title="Emoji" alt="Emoji" height="20" src="https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f914.png" width="20" style="padding: 0px 2px; vertical-align: middle;"></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="3">Google's drive
and email services and Yahoo's email services do exactly the
same thing. <img title="Emoji" alt="Emoji" height="20" src="https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f641.png" width="20" style="padding: 0px 2px; vertical-align: middle;"></font><br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="3">If you want it
to be private, encrypt it before uploading it. <img title="Emoji" alt="Emoji" height="20" src="https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f642.png" width="20" style="padding: 0px 2px; vertical-align: middle;"></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="3">Oh wait,
Microsoft has a Cloud-first save default. Sorry, my bad. You
can't encrypt these automatic OneDrive saves. <img title="Emoji" alt="Emoji" height="20" src="https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f620.png" width="20" style="padding: 0px 2px; vertical-align: middle;"> (This
applies especially to Office 365 and Outlook.com.) </font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="3">So how's
Apple's privacy in iCloud looking these days? <img title="Emoji" alt="Emoji" height="20" src="https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f601.png" width="20" style="padding: 0px 2px; vertical-align: middle;"></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="3">Since these
services all include subscription upgrades, I see no
argument that for a free service, you are the product. These
services are free as in free beer. Once you really start
using them, you have to pay for more storage or subscribe to
a paid product or service. </font></div>
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<div> On Saturday, November 1, 2025 at 01:27:06 PM EDT, John
Rudy via LCTG <a shape="rect" href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"><lctg@lists.toku.us></a> wrote: </div>
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<p><span style="font-size:14pt">This is like “AI
searches are private and not remembered”. Well,
maybe</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:14pt"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:14pt">If you do a search on
bomb making expect to get an FBI visit</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:14pt"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">John
Rudy</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">781-861-0402</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">781-718-8334
cell</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">13
Hawthorne Lane</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Bedford
MA</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(70,120,134)">jjrudy1@comcast.net</span></a></span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif"> Rich Moffitt
<a shape="rect" href="mailto:rich@richmoffitt.org" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"><rich@richmoffitt.org></a> <br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 1, 2025
11:15 AM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> john rudy
<a shape="rect" href="mailto:jjrudy1@comcast.net" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"><jjrudy1@comcast.net></a><br clear="none">
<b>Cc:</b> Lex Computer Group
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lex Computer & Tech
Group/LCTG] one drive -- Interesting</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12pt">Hi,
John. What you're seeing isn't sharing with
other people (not even Microsoft employees,
through a combination of encryption, access
controls, and pinky swears). Microsoft would
probably tell you that what you saw is still
considered "private to you." Instead, it's
software services built into the platform
reading the files that you uploaded to them
to deliver the memories feature.</p>
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<p>On Sat, Nov 1, 2025, 10:05<span style="font-family:sans-serif"> </span>AM
John Rudy via LCTG <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>>
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<p><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">I have just started
getting messages from onedrive
(OneDrive <a shape="rect" href="mailto:photos@onedrive.com" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">photos@onedrive.com</a>)
containing a small group of photos
and the message</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif"><img id="m_3321248797250172094ydp73277a69yiv6583642658ydp8ba543b3yiv5405596391m_-382276339615469715_x005f_x0000_i1026" border="0" style="width: 592px; max-width: 800px;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">I thought my onedrive
account was private to me.
Apparently not.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">When I click on “View
all memories” I am asked to log in
to Microsoft.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">I went to <a shape="rect" href="http://gemini.ai" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">gemini.ai</a>
and asked about onedrive privacy.
Here is a portion of what it
responded:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">Managing your OneDrive
photos' privacy involves
controlling sharing permissions
and using specific privacy
features. Here are the main ways
to do so: </span></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">1. Control Sharing
Permissions</span></b></p>
<p><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">The most direct way to
manage privacy is by controlling
who has access to your files and
folders. </span></p>
<ul type="disc"><li><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">Sharing Individual
Photos/Folders:</span></b></li></ul>
<ul type="disc"><ul type="circle"><li><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">Right-click</span></b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif"> on the photo or folder
you want to manage.</span></li><li><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">Select <b>Share</b> or <b>Manage
access</b> [1].</span></li><li><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">In the sharing
dialogue, you can:</span></li></ul></ul>
<ul type="disc"><ul type="circle"><ul type="circle"><li><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">See who currently has
access [1].</span></li></ul></ul></ul>
<ul type="disc"><ul type="circle"><ul type="circle"><li><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">Stop sharing entirely.</span></li></ul></ul></ul>
<ul type="disc"><ul type="circle"><ul type="circle"><li><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">Change permissions from
"can edit" to "can view"
(read-only).</span></li></ul></ul></ul>
<ul type="disc"><ul type="circle"><ul type="circle"><li><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">Remove specific users
[1].</span></li></ul></ul></ul>
<ul type="disc"><ul type="circle"><ul type="circle"><li><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">Set an expiration date
for the shared link [1].</span></li></ul></ul></ul>
<ul type="disc"><ul type="circle"><ul type="circle"><li><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif">Set a password for the
link (with a Microsoft 365
subscription) [1].</span></li></ul></ul></ul>
<p><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">John Rudy</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">781-861-0402</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">781-718-8334 cell</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><a shape="rect" href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/13+Hawthorne+Lane+Bedford+MA?entry=gmail&source=g" rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">13
Hawthorne Lane</a></span></p>
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MA</a></span></p>
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