<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Let me make a pitch for zero knowledge. No, not the sgt Schultz “I know nooothing!”</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Zero knowledge services are like:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Protonmail - can be set up so you have a password to your account, and a second password to decrypt the content of your messages. This sadly is no longer the default because people are too lazy and have many have chosen to use one password. Their initial pitch said interpol (they are based in Switzerland) could confiscate all their servers but would not be able to read your messages because only the user has the second password. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Signal - only the sender and receiver (nobody at signal) can read your messages. That’s why the us govt approved its use by senators and congressional reps. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">These and other services that have been independently audited by professionals are among the ones where the provider (such as Google) in theory do not read your stuff. A court order probably will open the door, but Proton is based in Switzerland, so it’s one more step removed. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Living in a modern world is full of trade offs. On one extreme you can take yourself entirely off the grid, so to speak, so nobody knows your finances or how you spend your money - but that also means you will never create a credit score to take out a loan. Take you pick.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>I've turned off the ai parts of gmail, disabled apple intelligence, the obvious stuff. Will need to turn off more stuff soon, I'm sure.</div><div><br></div><div>Good luck to all,</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 19, 2026 at 11:38 AM Robert Primak via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"></div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">No. Google has never said they would not comply with legitimate requests from law enforcement. And they have always reported any serious threats to other users or to the public to law enforcement. This new policy is really nothing new in that regard. </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Does anyone in this thread have any hard evidence that Google is doing anything improper with user data? If not, maybe we should not tempt Google to initiate legal actions against us for saying things we cannot support.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">I thought LCTG was supposed to be a non-political technology user group.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">-- Bob Primak</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div>
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Now, as they happily cooperate with the current administration, if Trump decides to, say, deport all Chinese-Americans and needs to find some reason, getting all email/docs for these people from Google is pretty much guaranteed. <div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">So what is different now is Google’s change in how they protect our info.</div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Olga<br clear="none" id="m_-2247899172799389351m_-3995020680552449715m_7252583122529035716ydp4feee587yiv6986319685lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div id="m_-2247899172799389351m_-3995020680552449715m_7252583122529035716ydp4feee587yiv6986319685yqt96265" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">On Jan 17, 2026, at 10:39 AM, Adam Broun <<a href="mailto:abroun@gmail.com" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" target="_blank">abroun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div id="m_-2247899172799389351m_-3995020680552449715m_7252583122529035716ydp4feee587yiv6986319685yqt74143" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Google has always had access to Gmail, Docs etc in order to sell advertising. And they’ve always been good at searching/indexing it. So what's different now?<div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none" id="m_-2247899172799389351m_-3995020680552449715m_7252583122529035716ydp4feee587yiv6986319685lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">On Jan 17, 2026, at 09:47, Stan Rose via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">If it's Gemini you want to avoid, then you will have to stop using SIRI because Apple has announced they will partner will Google to use Gemini in Siri.</div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-size:inherit;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><a shape="rect" href="https://www.macrumors.com/2026/01/13/google-gemini-siri-capabilities-report/" style="font-size:inherit;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.macrumors.com/2026/01/13/google-gemini-siri-capabilities-report/</a></div><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="all"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Stan<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:stan_rose@alum.mit.edu" rel="nofollow" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" target="_blank">stan_rose@alum.mit.edu</a></div></div></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br clear="none"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 11:13 PM OLGA P GUTTAG via LCTG <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" rel="nofollow" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Lauren has also advised users to stay away from Google docs, since that is the next place they will start pushing Gemini. 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