<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I agree with Robert Prinac , there is nothing new about our loss of privacy on the internet. It started when the fbi started using software like carnivore to detect packets being transmitted over the internet. I was always warned about not using email for anything i wanted to be private. So, I use portals to deal with health, finances and a phone to deal with personal issues. I remember this starting to happen in the early 90's. Carnivore has been replaced and is available online, other more sophisticated software is now used. What is missing is the larger amount of data that is picked up by security cameras. There is a Swiss org called Edgelands i believe that has n]benn looking into this for a few years and will stop on 12/26. I may still be getting a monthly newsletter, can't remember them all. Info overload. ernie.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 19, 2026 at 12:29 PM Michael Alexander via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:21px">Data Requests Process</span><br clear="none" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:inherit"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:21px">For scenarios like mass deportations, Google would still require warrants, subpoenas, or court orders per U.S. laws like ECPA, as outlined in their handling policies. Historical practices show notifications to users when possible and opposition to improper demands. Trump administration data pushes target agencies like SNAP, not private companies like Google.</span><div><span style="font-size:31.5px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:31.5px">— If that is true: up until now.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:31.5px"> – Mike </span></div><div><span style="font-size:31.5px"> Alexander<br></span><br><br><br><p style="font-size:15px;color:rgb(132,115,255);padding-top:15px;margin-top:0px">On Monday, January 19, 2026, 11:39 AM, Robert Primak via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:</p><blockquote><div id="m_-6413690368561555812yiv7297143500"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">No. Google has never said they would not comply with legitimate requests from law enforcement. And they have always reported any serious threats to other users or to the public to law enforcement. This new policy is really nothing new in that regard. </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Does anyone in this thread have any hard evidence that Google is doing anything improper with user data? If not, maybe we should not tempt Google to initiate legal actions against us for saying things we cannot support.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">I thought LCTG was supposed to be a non-political technology user group.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">-- Bob Primak</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Saturday, January 17, 2026 at 11:07:38 AM EST, OLGA P GUTTAG via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="m_-6413690368561555812yiv7297143500ydp4feee587yiv6986319685"><div>Though Google had our info since we started using their products, their stated policy was to protect any information they had about us from outsiders, including the govt. Now, as they happily cooperate with the current administration, if Trump decides to, say, deport all Chinese-Americans and needs to find some reason, getting all email/docs for these people from Google is pretty much guaranteed. <div><br clear="none"></div><div>So what is different now is Google’s change in how they protect our info.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Olga<br clear="none" id="m_-6413690368561555812yiv7297143500ydp4feee587yiv6986319685lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div id="m_-6413690368561555812yiv7297143500ydp4feee587yiv6986319685yqt96265"><div><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jan 17, 2026, at 10:39 AM, Adam Broun <<a href="mailto:abroun@gmail.com" target="_blank">abroun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div id="m_-6413690368561555812yiv7297143500ydp4feee587yiv6986319685yqt74143"><div><div>Google has always had access to Gmail, Docs etc in order to sell advertising. And they’ve always been good at searching/indexing it. So what's different now?<div><br clear="none"><div><br clear="none" id="m_-6413690368561555812yiv7297143500ydp4feee587yiv6986319685lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jan 17, 2026, at 09:47, Stan Rose via LCTG <<a href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><div><div>If it's Gemini you want to avoid, then you will have to stop using SIRI because Apple has announced they will partner will Google to use Gemini in Siri.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div style="font-size:inherit"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://www.macrumors.com/2026/01/13/google-gemini-siri-capabilities-report/" style="font-size:inherit" target="_blank">https://www.macrumors.com/2026/01/13/google-gemini-siri-capabilities-report/</a></div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">Stan<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:stan_rose@alum.mit.edu" target="_blank">stan_rose@alum.mit.edu</a></div></div></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><div><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 11:13 PM OLGA P GUTTAG via LCTG <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:lctg@lists.toku.us" target="_blank">lctg@lists.toku.us</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Lauren has also advised users to stay away from Google docs, since that is the next place they will start pushing Gemini. Sounds like moving everything away from Google is in my near future - SIGH.<br clear="none">
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