[Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Don't forget the biggest threat

Tue Oct 31 10:10:16 PDT 2023

Bob,

The basic difference between COVID and Climate Change is that:

 with COVID-19 there was a causative agent and a direct and causal response
-- even if the details are still a bit in doubt [e.g. when did it start and
how did it spread so quickly]

In the case of the Hyped hypothetical catastrophic climate change [e.g. at
one time we had to worry about anything exceeding 250 ppm for CO2, now we
are equal;ly as worried about 400 ppm CO2]  -- Fundamentally though there
is nothing at all concrete to base our fear on -- its all about dueling
computer models -- ultimately subject to the great maxim of Computer
Science -- "Garbage in => Garbage out"

Ted

On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 9:23 AM Robert Primak via LCTG <lctg at lists.toku.us>
wrote:

> Shelly, I respect your point of view.
>
> And yes, this topic has devolved into more of a religious shouting-match
> than a well-tempered factual discussion. Let me leave my comment there for
> now, with one more thing: I do find more plausible science on the side of
> preparing and adapting to climate change, rather than denying it and
> waiting for it to be over (like COVID).
>
> -- Bob Primak
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 07:38:50 PM EDT, Shelly Lowenthal <
> shelly.lowenthal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I don’t think so….. it’s religious…. And look what’s happening with the
> current religion wars - not good.
>
> Shelly Lowenthal
>
> On Oct 24, 2023, at 7:31 PM, Robert Primak via LCTG <lctg at lists.toku.us>
> wrote:
>
> 
> Is this going to become another  of our "Extended Topics"?
>
> -- Bob Primak
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 07:09:34 PM EDT, Ted Kochanski via LCTG <
> lctg at lists.toku.us> wrote:
>
>
> Larry,
>
> This just continues the Catastrophism posing as science -- its just
> another version of the Neo-Malthusianism begun by the Club of Rome 60 years
> ago.
>
> The basic problem with it is the lack of a meaningful data set to be used
> to compare recent behavior to the past.  The only semi-credible global
> data comes from the Microwave Radiometer carried aboard Polar Orbiting
> Meteorological satellites since 1978
>
> There is a substantial challenge to cross calibrate from one generation of
> MSU instrument carried by one family of satellites to another.  Many
> factors contribute to the quality of the lower troposphere temperature as
> derived from the MSU data.
>
> See the Wikipedia article for more information.   Suffice it to say that
> the "Hanson-style" plots are just fragments of what is needed to discern
> anyu legitimate trends which could justify statements such as "it's easy to
> overlook the biggest (identified) threat to the quality of life on earth --
> GLOBAL WARMING."
>
> No -- I think the legitimate "existential threat" that we need to consider
> -- remains since about 1950 -- the accidental or otherwise ignition of a
> nuclear war.   All the rest, including global terrorism while highly
> annoying, is insignificant.
>
>  Ted
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 12:21 PM Larry Wittig via LCTG <lctg at lists.toku.us>
> wrote:
>
> With all the crazy relatively short term things going on in the world it's
> easy to overlook the biggest (identified) threat to the quality of life on
> earth -- GLOBAL WARMING.
> The last few months have broken all records. Not just by a little but by a
> lot. Part of the reason is that we're coming off of a La Nina and starting
> a El Nino. But peak global temperatures don't peak until about three
> months after the El Nino -- so if you think it's bad now wait until next
> year.
>
> The first plot below is from
> https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
> Never before have we seen such a large jump in such a short time frame.
>
> The next plot is from "El Nino Fizzles. Planet Earth Sizzles. Why?"
> 13 October 2023 James Hansen, Makiko Sato, Reto Ruedy, and Leon Simons.
> See this publication for more information.
>
> The third plot is from
>
> https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/climate-at-a-glance/global/haywood/globe/land_ocean
>
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