[Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Is physics useful?

Wed Sep 27 09:44:14 PDT 2023

Turkeys CAN fly.

If you saw the WKRP in Cincinnati episode we're talking about, your comment would be seen as Apples vs. Oranges.
Wild turkeys can fly and are wily and elusive. No one is arguing otherwise.
At my volunteer work at Wellington Fields in Waltham, and especially on Prospect Hill, Waltham in the Pine Ledges area, I have several times watched as wild turkeys fly up to tree branches and roost for the night. 
But domestic turkeys are a whole other kettle of fish. 
As God as my witness, I thought all turkeys could fly, too
https://www.al.com/news/2015/11/as_god_as_my_witness_i_thought.html

Domestic turkeys, or those raised for food and the type that will likely show up on your Thanksgiving table, are bred to be as heavy as possible. The extra weight means domestic turkeys can't fly.
Wild turkeys can fly. The birds feed on the ground but sleep in trees, so while they aren't as prolific fliers as some of their other feathered brethren, they can fly, reaching speeds of up to 55 miles per hour. They prefer to travel by walking or running though and can run up to 25 miles per hour.

Regarding domestic turkeys, Dr. Johnny Fever (Howard Hessman) opines, "I guess they're just too stupid to realize that they can fly." 

The episode may seem too zany to be true, but "Turkeys Away," is actually loosely based on real events.
The real event occurred when series creator, Hugh Wilson, worked at the radio station WQXI in Atlanta. In an interview with the Archive of American Television he said "Jerry Blum, who was the general manager of WQXI, told me that he had been fired from a Texas station for throwing turkeys out of a helicopter. I said to Jerry, 'You just won me an Emmy. That's really funny.'"
https://www.metv.com/lists/7-interesting-facts-about-wkrp-in-cincinnatis-turkeys-away-episode
And slapping turkeys, wild or domestic, does not seem to be a very good way to cook them. I prefer watching amateurs try to deep-fry them, and sometimes lighting their driveways on fire in the process. (I'm pretty sure this was depicted in more than one TV show or movie.)
-- Bob Primak 
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 10:50:55 AM EDT, <jjrudy1 at comcast.net> wrote:  

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Turkeys CAN fly  https://www.birdsandblooms.com/birding/birding-basics/wild-turkey-bird/

There are about a dozen of them at Huckins Farm where I live

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Subject: Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Is physics useful?

WKRP in Cincinnati S01E07 Turkeys Away

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6tug84

 I like the ending (0:35:00) .

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." 

(For some reason, the video is mirrored left-right in this bootleg.) 

-- Bob Primak 

On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 05:25:30 PM EDT, Robert Primak <bobprimak at yahoo.com> wrote: 

There's also the infamous "turkey drop" episode of the TV sitcom WKRP in Cincinnati. For example: https://www.primetimer.com/quickhits/the-infamous-wkrp-in-cincinnati-turkey-drop-episode

I was waiting for someone to reference that episode!

-- Bob Primak

On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 03:15:07 PM EDT, Mitchell I. Wolfe via LCTG <lctg at lists.toku.us> wrote: 

UTC used to use live turkeys to test aircraft engines, but switched to dead ones.

There's also the infamous "turkey drop" episode of the TV sitcom WKRP in Cincinnati. For example: https://www.primetimer.com/quickhits/the-infamous-wkrp-in-cincinnati-turkey-drop-episode

-- Mitch

On 2023-09-23 14:18, Michael Alexander via LCTG wrote:

As I recall, Alan (and others), there used to be a test in which (hopefully dead) chickens were fired at aircraft windshields to test the windshields' integrity against bird strikes.  Seriously.  Maybe the test is still in use. 

    Mike Alexander

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On Saturday, September 23, 2023, 12:52 PM, Alan Millner via LCTG <lctg at lists.toku.us> wrote:

My crude version of an old joke this brings to mind: 

The British aircraft corporation, bringing their first large airliner to market, was anxious to satisfy American safety requirements. They noted a test for the windscreen to survive bird strikes. So, they assembled an air cannon, and bought a commercial turkey as a test object, and carefully calibrated the speed of the exiting bird to replicate the speed of the aircraft. When they fired the bird at the windshield, they were horrified to see the turkey crash through the windscreen, smash the back of the pilot's seat, and bury itself in the partition behind. They sent a panicky email to NASA asking for assistance with the problem. 

Nasa sent a three word reply:

"Thaw the turkey." 

Alan Millner

amillner at alum.mit.edu

home 781-862-7893. cell 781-999-4346

48 North St., Lexington MA 02420

On Sep 23, 2023, at 11:59 AM, Peter Albin via LCTG <lctg at lists.toku.us> wrote:

Who is bringing the frozen chicken to the next POT-poor-i?

Peter

On Sep 23, 2023, at 11:34 AM, John Rudy via LCTG <lctg at lists.toku.us> wrote:

I knew I could trust you.

Anyway, the chicken only needs to be heated to 150 degrees and a 2# chicken is really small

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Subject: Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Is physics useful?

Heat capacity for 1 kg of water is almost 4200 J/kg/C.  I would expect a frozen chicken to be mostly water, but maybe the chicken industry has experimentally determined the heat capacity of a chicken carcass.

This calculation does not include heat of fusion necessary to melt ice i.e. to defrost the frozen chicken.

Heat will be carried away from the warming chicken by vapor which will also include heat of vaporization which is big. The rate of heat loss will soon equal the rate it is being delivered by the slaps.

Including all the physics will make for a much bigger number of slaps. That's a physics calculation.  In addition, any self respecting engineer would provide a margin for error. 

Of course you could build an apparatus that slaps the chicken in a closed environment so there is no heat loss while the chicken is being slapped.  Then you will need to supply enough slap energy to heat that apparatus as well as the chicken.

Don't invest in this.

--Charlie

On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 9:21 AM John Rudy via LCTG <lctg at lists.toku.us> wrote:

The average person would not be able to do this, and wouldn't even care.  But to me it is beauty.  Of course I have not verified the numbers.

John Rudy

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