[Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Dark matter doesn't exist and the universe is 27 billion years old • Earth.com

Fri Mar 22 14:17:00 PDT 2024

Ethan Siegel is perhaps the best authority on these matters.

https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/new-study-disprove-dark-matter-dark-energy/

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 4:33 PM Peter Albin via LCTG <lctg at lists.toku.us>
wrote:

> Can someone (or more) put together a program on this presenting the
> various perspectives?
> I think it would be well received
> Peter Albin
>
> On Mar 22, 2024, at 4:21 PM, Alan Millner via LCTG <lctg at lists.toku.us>
> wrote:
>
> NCPC theories are ignoring an important set of data. Generations of
> physicists have been trying to detect changes in physical constants, often
> to extremely fine precision. So far, nothing. Since the earth is moving
> through space at a rapid rate, any variation with location would be a
> variation in time. So, the data says probably no NCPC.
>
> Alan Millner
> amillner at alum.mit.edu
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>
> On Mar 22, 2024, at 2:32 PM, George Gamota via LCTG <lctg at lists.toku.us>
> wrote:
>
> Maybe search for Dark Matter will turn out to be similar to search for
> ether…
>
> *From:* LCTG <lctg-bounces+ggamota=stma-llc.com at lists.toku.us> *On Behalf
> Of *Ted Kochanski via LCTG
> *Sent:* Friday, March 22, 2024 2:05 PM
> *To:* Michael Alexander <mna.ma at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Steve Isenberg <smisenberg at gmail.com>; lctg at lists.toku.us; Stan
> Rose <stan_rose at alum.mit.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Dark matter doesn't exist
> and the universe is 27 billion years old • Earth.com
>
> All,
>
> There are starting to accumulate a bunch of annoying discrepancies which
> none of the existing theories are able to easily bridge -- for example: the
> Huible Constant derived from two "quite independent paths" -- no-longer has
> overlapping error bars -- so something is amiss
>
> Is it time for another revamp of Physics comparable to the Quantum &
> Relativity Era from about 125 to about 75 years ago? -- only time and space
> can tell
>
> Ted
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 5:02 PM Michael Alexander <mna.ma at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> Ted is right: the idea that physical “constants” are not truly constant
> has been around for quite a while.  When I was a grad student in physics, I
> remember, Professor David Bohm (Princeton; author of a quantum mechanics
> text) tried to construct a non-constant physical constant (NCPC ?) theory.
>
> What I find interesting about the new NCPC theory  is that, on the
> surface, it might have genuine application.  It doesn’t (yet) necessarily
> displace the dark matter theory because – as far as one can tell from
> information in this thread – there are no observational or experimental
> data, now, that distinguish NCPC from dark matter theories.
>
> In both cases, the ‘evidence’ supporting the theories seems to come from
> reasoning that’s analogous to curve-fitting.
>
>
>     – Mike Alexander
>
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2024, 4:26 PM, Michael Alexander via LCTG <
> lctg at lists.toku.us> wrote:
>
> However, as Einstein showed, time depends on one’s frame of reference.
>
>     – Mike Alexander
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2024, 4:20 PM, Robert Primak via LCTG <
> lctg at lists.toku.us> wrote:
>
> As they say, "Time will tell". (What time will tell us and how, are the
> unanswered questions.)
>
> -- Bob Primak
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 03:29:56 PM EDT, Ted Kochanski <
> tedpkphd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> All,
>
> This is not new
>
> Back in the 70's when I was an MIT undergrad -- we had a Physics
> Colloquium featuring Paul Dirac --  the legendary Physicist
>
> Most people came just based on the assumption that here's a chance to say
> you were in the room with one of the founders of QM
>
> However -- Prof. Dirac spent his hour talking about a new idea -- that the
> physical constants were not in fact constant -- that they changed with time
> and space in a predictable manner
>
> When he was finished -- most people thought that they had witnessed an old
> guy a bit off the beaten trail -- and Yet?
>
>
> Ted
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 3:25 PM Ted Kochanski <tedpkphd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> This is not new
>
> Back in the 70's when I was an MIT undergrad -- we had a Physics Colo
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 11:05 PM carllazarus--- via LCTG <
> lctg at lists.toku.us> wrote:
>
> I agree it appears that no real evidence has been presented to support
> these hypotheses.  On the other hand, after decades of trying to find dark
> matter, it does seem like there must be some cosmic mechanism we don’t yet
> understand.
> -- Carl
>
> *From:* LCTG <lctg-bounces+carllazarus=comcast.net at lists.toku.us> *On
> Behalf Of *Robert Primak via LCTG
> *Sent:* Monday, March 18, 2024 2:29 PM
> *To:* Stan Rose <stan_rose at alum.mit.edu>; Steve Isenberg <
> smisenberg at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* lctg at lists.toku.us
> *Subject:* Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Dark matter doesn't exist
> and the universe is 27 billion years old • Earth.com
>
> While they listed a few possible mechanisms, like the search for Dark
> Matter and Dark Energy, the evidence looks to my mind to be highly
> speculative and poorly supported by any kind of evidence. (I have had not
> very much scientific education compared with most members of this group.)
> Then again, if I had the level of understanding to read further on this
> subject, I might be able to see what kinds of evidence both sides of this
> discussion think they are seeing.
>
> The paper referenced promises to include some of the evidence seen by the
> side which favors the CCC-TL hypothesis. Probably that level of reading is
> beyond my level of education and scientific literacy.
>
> -- Bob Primak
>
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 01:48:24 PM EDT, Steve Isenberg via LCTG <
> lctg at lists.toku.us> wrote:
>
>
> Interesting.
> Posits that forces of nature weaken over time and in different places in
> the universe. (CCC, Covarying Coupling Constants)
> Also the Tired Light (TL) concept that light loses energy as it travels
> across the universe.
> I wonder what if any evidence is for these.
> -steve
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 1:20 PM Stan Rose via LCTG <lctg at lists.toku.us>
> wrote:
>
> This seems to up end a lot of ideas!
>
>
> https://www.earth.com/news/dark-matter-does-not-exist-universe-27-billion-years-old-study/
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