[Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Concern over MRNA Covid Vaccine and Cardiac Side Effects

Fri Oct 21 13:14:08 PDT 2022

There is value in discussing opinions and findings on COVID vaccines;
however as the messages are getting longer and I feel the discussion may
continue for a while, I'm asking that any additional discussion and
commentary on COVID vaccines be moved to the Extended Topics list.  This
list was specifically created for longer messages and extended discussions
of this sort.

The email address for that is: *lctg-extended at toku.us
<lctg-extended at toku.us>* and I have copied this message to that list.
Please do not copy the main list on this discussion or other COVID vaccine
discussions.  Thank you for your cooperation.

The Extended list is open to everyone.  To subscribe and contribute or
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If you have any questions or concerns about my decision, please email me
directly.  (Or you can bring up and discuss this decision on the Extended
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Thank you.
-steve
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On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 3:45 PM Robert Primak <bobprimak at yahoo.com> wrote:

> We do have an Extended Topics section of our mailing list if people want
> to engage in this type of lengthy discussion.
>
> Just a suggestion.
>
> -- Bob Primak
>
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 02:55:03 PM EDT, Shelly Lowenthal <
> shelly.lowenthal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> So strange that we have such a smart group of scientists and engineers
> that are amazingly interested in fusion, galaxies, history, but could care
> less about the danger of this spike poison, even for themselves and their
> families. While you hide from this, other real scientists are studying the
> mechanisms of this poison. Here is a link to the full list with just a few
> of the titles below it. Any interest now? The full list might exceed
> google's email limit, so click on the link below:
>
> https://palexander.substack.com/p/so-you-say-dr-alexander-you-keep
>
> *Where is the evidence?*
>
> Cerebral venous thrombosis after COVID-19 vaccination in the UK: a
> multicentre cohort study:
> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01608-1/
>
> Fatal cerebral hemorrhage after COVID-19 vaccine:
>
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33928772/
>
> Myocarditis after mRNA vaccination against SARS-CoV-2, a case series:
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666602221000409
>
> Three cases of acute venous thromboembolism in women after vaccination
> against COVID-19:
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213333X21003929
>
> Acute thrombosis of the coronary tree after vaccination against COVID-19:
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1936879821003988
>
> Marvin - it's 15% not times. However, 15% has not been seen before and
> it's a lot of death. Contact me personally if you want answers to the other
> questions and examples.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 9:57 PM Marvin Menzin <mmenzin at icloud.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Shelly,
>
> i am not going to spend hours on videos and articles listed below.
> i just want to ask your opinion on this  :
>
> 1- Do you believe that the billions of vaccinations and boosters for covid
> from pfizer and moderna did not prevent millions of deaths and severe
> hospitalizations of the elderly as claimed by the published peer reviewed
> studies from the USA , germany, the UK and Israel ?
>
> 2- Do you believe that a conspiracy of people in the CDC , FDA and big
> pharma
> have suppressed  large numbers of reports of deaths and severe illnesses
>  from these vaccines ?
>
> 3- do you believe that excess deaths of people in major countries  that
> took full vaccinations are 15 times higher than in countries that didnt
> take many vaccines,?
>
> If the answers are YES to all , then you would not take these vaccines
> even if you were 90 years old and covid was rampant and killing thousands
> all around you .
>
> If you believe the answers are yes then all the scientists  and doctors
> and reporters from all the world media are also in on the conspiracy or are
>  incompetent and unable to expose this huge conspiracy.
>
> Franky my own opinion with no scientific evidence except Occams  razor
> is NO to all these questions.. so at 88 I thankfully took all the vaccines
> and boosters that were offered .
> marvin
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 20, 2022, at 5:44 PM, Shelly Lowenthal <shelly.lowenthal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Here's my rant - I've been following this for the last 10 months.
>
>
>
> Watch this movie (free for one more week) then look at all the damage. I
> always watch at 1.5 speed. One hour.
>
> https://www.therealanthonyfaucimovie.com/trailer/
>
>
>
> Open Vaers Mortality. Conservative 5x underreporting, researched 44x
> underreporting
>
> https://openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality
>
> General Covid data
>
> https://openvaers.com/covid-data
>
>
>
> All-cause mortality 15% higher than normal in the most highly vaccinated
> European countries, 4% higher in the least vaccinated countries. EU MPs
> showed a map of Europe with excess higher last week after Pfizer admitted
> not testing for transmission. There are lots of links - here's one.
>
>
> https://palexander.substack.com/p/europe-surveillance-euromomo-bulletin?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web
>
>
>
> 8-fold increase in sudden deaths of fully vaccinated Canadian doctors
> under 30 (80 in a year)
>
> Many sudden deaths of young athletes reported with videos of collapse
> (shown in Fauci movie) - Myocarditis will damage you for life! Denmark says
> too risky for anyone under 50.
>
> For the first time morticians can't embalm due to the long. There are lots
> of reports.
>
>
> https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/unusually-large-blood-clots-found-in-bodies-of-the-deceased-since-covid-jab-rollout/
>
>
>
> Search for the fraud in Pfizer's Covid testing - why did they want to hide
> this for 75 years. Pregnant women miscarried. Many injured including kids
> that were misreported by Pfizer.
>
>
>
> Think of the lies by FDA, CDC, Pfizer
>
> Safe and effective (NOT!!)
>
> Stays in your arm (now found in dead patient brains) ( also in heart,
> blood clots, testicles, liver, ovaries, and many other places)
>
> You won't catch Covid
>
> You won't spread Covid (Turns out Pfizer never tested this)
>
> You won't go to the hospital if you catch Covid
>
> You won't die if you end up in the hospital
>
> All these are were LIES . Hospitals don't report Covid status on death ->
> CDC marks them as unvaccinated.
>
>
>
> I did get 3 shots and regret taking the last. Tried whatever I could do
> (Autophagy) to get rid of the poisonous spike. My 15YO granddaughter had a
> heart event days after her booster and is now wearing a Halter monitor.
>
>
>
> Yes - most survived the shot. You guys all survived - good genetics at
> play. Too many others got damaged from the shot.
>
>
>
> Ask yourselves - why is this the only disease that was denied early
> treatment? Because FDA, CDC, NIH, medical journals, TV, Newspapers are
> captured by the big pharmacy companies. Would you complain about pharma if
> your job depended on it - no since 65% of FDA employees are paid due to
> pharma funds. Yes, NIH and CDC staff get royalties from pharma.
>
>
>
> My wife and I caught Covid and we followed this protocol, including that
> dreaded Noble prize winning horse de-wormer prescribed millions of times
> (now generic). Back to normal in 2 days with some cough for a week. These
> protocols were developed by doctors that successfully treated thousands of
> patients unlike anyone at the FDA.
>
> https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatment-protocols/i-care/
>
>
>
> I'm happy to share more information or details of above. There is so much
> bad stuff
>
> Shelly Lowenthal
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 5:05 PM john rudy <jjrudy1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Of course expert opinion evolves over time, and that is what people who do
> not understand science seem to have difficulty understanding.  Also,
> headlines rarely explain why the “current” statement was made.  Cleaning
> food when getting home from the supermarket in the early COVID days seemed
> reasonable.  Once more data was available the opinion changed (or better
> yet, evolved).  Newton didn’t become wrong because of relativity
>
>
>
> John Rudy
>
> 781-861-0402
>
> 781-718-8334 (cell)
>
> John.rudy at alum.mit.edu
>
>
>
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> *From:* LCTG <lctg-bounces+jjrudy1=comcast.net at lists.toku.us> *On Behalf
> Of *Ted Kochanski
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2022 4:11 PM
> *To:* Jon Dreyer <jon at jondreyer.org>
> *Cc:* lctg at lists.toku.us
> *Subject:* Re: [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] Concern over MRNA Covid
> Vaccine and Cardiac Side Effects
>
>
>
> Jon,
>
>
>
> I find the statement "On topics on which I'm not an expert (and that's
> most all of them) I defer to the consensus of the experts, not the
> outliers" -- the essence of our generic problem -- the consensus in matters
> of some complexity is frequently proven to have been wrong in the long run.
>
>
>
> For example when my father-in-law was active as the Medical Officer of
> Bossier Parish in northwest Louisiana [circa 1970's] the consensus of the
> experts was don't let a diabetic eat ice cream but having  a boiled
> skinless potato or white rice was fine
>
> The reality -- noted by outliers such as my father-in-law --
> icecream being a complex sugar suspension [mostly: *Lactose, *a
> disaccharide sugar, with other stuff] is slow to get into the
> bloodstream -- meanwhile the simple starches in potato [not the skin] or
> white rice are converted to glucose by the saliva and essentially in the
> bloodstream nearly instantly
>
>
>
> Galileo would be another of those outliers
>
>
>
> Anyway -- today the CDC advisory panel  [Advisory Committee on
> Immunization Practices (ACIP)]   voted 15-0 to include the new
> instantiation of the MRNA COVID-19 vaccine as a recommended childhood
> vaccine along with the traditional and tested standards of whooping cough,
> etc.
>
> Note there is no [as in NONE] human data yet available [even for review by
> the ACIP] from the vaccine providers only a handful of mice have been used
> as "guinea pigs"
>
>
>
> Well -- under the circumstances -- I'm skeptical of the efficacy versus
> safety for the youngest of our population
>
>
>
> Ted
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 4:28 PM Jon Dreyer <jon at jondreyer.org> wrote:
>
> My spider sense started tingling wildly when I saw that. It didn't take me
> long to find this:
> https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/i-know-you-are-but-what-am-i-dr-asseem-malhotra-rails-against-covid-19-misinformation/
>
> If you look hard enough, you can find something that confirms any bias. On
> topics on which I'm not an expert (and that's most all of them) I defer to
> the consensus of the experts, not the outliers.
>
> --
>
> Jon "Misinformation Misinformation" Dreyer
> Math Tutor/Compuer Science Tutor <http://www.passionatelycurious.com>
> Jon Dreyer Music <http://music.jondreyer.com>
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