[Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] an interesting CHAT interchange

Tue Apr 18 06:33:15 PDT 2023

John,
Chat’s attribution of the D. numbering list to Anton Diabelli, who had composed around Beethoven’s time (Beethoven composed Diabelli Variations), I went to Wikipedia for enlightenment.  I found the following in Wikipedia’s long article on Schubert:
“Since relatively few of Schubert's works were published in his lifetime, only a small number of them have opus numbers assigned, and even in those cases, the sequence of the numbers does not give a good indication of the order of composition. Austrian musicologist Otto Erich Deutsch(1883–1967) is known for compiling the first comprehensive catalogue of Schubert's works. This was first published in English in 1951 (Schubert Thematic Catalogue) and subsequently revised for a new edition in German in 1978 (Franz Schubert: Thematisches Verzeichnis seiner Werke in chronologischer Folge – Franz Schubert: Thematic Catalogue of his Works in Chronological Order).”
I should have smelled a rat, so to speak, earlier, because in radio broadcasts of Schubert’s works (WCRB, e.g.), the announcers cite “Deutche catalog … .”

Chat evidently got hung up because Diabelli and Deutsch both begin with the. letter D.
Incidentally, it would be interesting to make the same Chat queries about Schubert and Dvorak again, to see whether Chat’s responses to the first and second queries match.  Chat, after all, seems to be a look-up program that scans its internet holdingsfrom which it was “trained”.
    – Mike A.

On Monday, April 17, 2023, 10:08 PM, jjrudy1 at comcast.net <jjrudy1 at comcast.net> wrote:

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Note its response to my correction.  I wonder whether it truly has now learned something.  It is strange that it thought that the Unfinished was the 9th  

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RUDY: how many works did Schubert compose

Franz Schubert was an incredibly prolific composer, creating a vast amount of music during his relatively short life (he died at the age of 31). While the exact number of works he composed is difficult to determine due to the varying ways in which pieces have been categorized and catalogued over the years, it is believed that Schubert wrote over 1,500 works in total.

These works include symphonies, chamber music, piano music, songs (including over 600 lieder), operas, masses, and other vocal and instrumental music. Some of Schubert's most famous compositions include his Symphony No. 9, "Unfinished"; the song cycles "Die Schöne Müllerin" and "Winterreise"; the Trout Quintet; and the String Quintet in C Major, among many others.

Schubert's incredible output and lasting influence on Western classical music have cemented his legacy as one of the greatest composers of all time.

RUDY: that is incorrect. the Unfinished was his 8th

You are correct, and I apologize for the error in my previous response. Franz Schubert's Symphony No. 8, also known as the "Unfinished" Symphony, is indeed his eighth symphony, not his ninth. It is one of his most famous and beloved works, and despite its unfinished status (it only has two completed movements), it is widely regarded as a masterpiece of the symphonic repertoire. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

John Rudy

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